From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8654 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2022 18:21:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 23 Jun 2022 18:21:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEF240138; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:20:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe33.google.com (mail-vs1-xe33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B384440137 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 04:20:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe33.google.com with SMTP id o13so105295vsn.4 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ki42ArRU9Kt79Dr9F5AE7PP6FqqMVCi9p0UhA87nVMw=; b=nqlSZyHZVCrbjawZ60r6gPPorf7Nbc2rWFLZ4SeX0cWFkV7aik/m9x+vXy3iGzIrg8 3wo3TOcYe19lWoo6RjzT7eXlPov0kbIPKFX71TnCTuQWOWADB6CuyG6KUknZWjQz6VOw wBBQb7MNSzsnSg6DzXpUnXLK6HxuWAKn9h5UTZwiHO4dNFWAnC5gYlYMovsgBxqwAEzI H8C+gPLmp6KKdQj5sFqDJP2C6a4eQFaN6Nb/6spkQbRC7zlUihPZeTrTZ3wS8a8STVAJ FstA7BLSVN0jaQFKUTnTykRWRiTVj6nYRgt1IUkSG8yWZPPQi+M7jURBgkrrKgmu+pjb CpUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ki42ArRU9Kt79Dr9F5AE7PP6FqqMVCi9p0UhA87nVMw=; b=5Ct/h+jw+Xflwu8XD9+Uu8sRX/5hVYo3NsI2xQXzxjupOyarwsPD3JXccCBwwjckG5 LXAEOWrgIrFmjz0BLBfz0fGA4/afk3LDeiX1RJdE8rwYRrXcHy0GvgEaeVHUQqEQfzHL KiYomcqyPnHupLiV4zQKfa9QQjxeFvjEdTJrqAQKpbOtC1vWUCnp7vX0L9V4ccGscdNt fMLpj6k9+G0BSbrArnt6fPXuIktWQaxXC0IbBwvuQ8ySFPqnoo0D6qbVsul7YRKf6ggb FECL1AEamgrxZ+R8PhX8QxC7+jmaEYkQYDcPz9GtJ24RXR5fGd+NzKBBNnfsFyBXDrej pRLg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+prd9RJP+8WNa70b5T3rhY7NRxwoTPv2hyK3xfOTbklb+Y8tOt ryh4UF4HeCZCuvZEavdAVjWBmRXkf6tFHj2wJfHG8TKceds= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1slDS8OVZCyB+cR7GwCaLUVuVvOOuNu19WivEz0sJHR8cIpmYLsqWsmD76adteAVwsRbRhhRAHQ8m7ENv66uXM= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ef84:0:b0:354:3ae9:e6f7 with SMTP id r4-20020a67ef84000000b003543ae9e6f7mr10970050vsp.41.1656008442147; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:20:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <52BD592D-7E76-4762-9DB1-DF53AA87CAC9@canb.auug.org.au> In-Reply-To: <52BD592D-7E76-4762-9DB1-DF53AA87CAC9@canb.auug.org.au> From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 12:20:31 -0600 Message-ID: To: steve jenkin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f08cda05e2218207" Message-ID-Hash: RAIFHXAIOXE6R2V5YRCPLWK2GZJFM7FV X-Message-ID-Hash: RAIFHXAIOXE6R2V5YRCPLWK2GZJFM7FV X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] =?utf-8?q?Re=3A_Early_Unix_Growth=3A_Number_of_=E2=80=9CInstallations=E2=80=9D_or_Licences=3F?= List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000f08cda05e2218207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 9:25 PM steve jenkin wrote: > I=E2=80=99ve been wondering about the growth of Unix and if there=E2=80= =99s any good data > available. > > There=E2=80=99s the Early Unix Epoch, which probably ends with the Unix S= upport > Group assuming the distribution role, plus providing / distributing their > version of the code. > > Later there=E2=80=99s commercial Unix: > System III and System V, I guess. > > BSD, until the lawsuit was resolved, required a Source code license, but > their installation count is important in pre-Commercial Unix. > > Large licensees like SUN, HP & IBM (AIX) may not have published license > counts for their versions - but then, were their derivatives =E2=80=9CUni= x=E2=80=9D or > something else? > > > Warner Loch=E2=80=99s paper has data to around 1978 [below]. > > I=E2=80=99ve no idea where to find data for USG issued licences, or if th= e number > of binary & source licences were ever reported in the Commercial Era by > AT&T. > > I=E2=80=99ll not be the first person who=E2=80=99s gone down this road, b= ut my Search Fu > isn=E2=80=99t good enough to find them. > > Wondering if anyone on the list can point me at resources, even a bunch o= f > annual reports. > > I don=E2=80=99t mind manually pulling out the data I=E2=80=99m interested= in. But why > reinvent the wheel if the work is already done? > > steve > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > numbers extracted from Warner Loch=E2=80=99s paper. > I think he spells his last name "Losh" :) > > < > https://papers.freebsd.org/2020/FOSDEM/losh-Hidden_early_history_of_Unix.= files/slides.pdf > > > > 2nd Edn June 1972 10 installations > 3rd Edn February 1973 16 > 4th Edn November 1973 >20, or 25 > > July 74 CACM paper "Unix > Time Sharing System=E2=80=9D after which external interest exploded > > 6th Edn 1975 ??? > 7th Edn March 1978 600+, >300 inside Bell > System, "even more have been licensed to outside users=E2=80=9D > These were the numbers that I could find in contemporary documentation. 5th and 6th edition didn't have a number like the manuals up to the 4th edition. I got the 7th edition from somewhere I don't recall, but as the 6th and 7th editions were widely licensed and started having lots of users based on ports that happened, it can be hard to put numbers down. Warner > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > -- > Steve Jenkin, > 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) > PO Box 38, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA > > mailto:sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au http://members.tip.net.au/~sjenkin > > --000000000000f08cda05e2218207 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 9:25 PM steve= jenkin <sjenkin@canb.auug.o= rg.au> wrote:
I=E2=80=99ve been wondering about the growth of Unix and if there=E2= =80=99s any good data available.

There=E2=80=99s the Early Unix Epoch, which probably ends with the Unix Sup= port Group assuming the distribution role, plus providing / distributing th= eir version of the code.

Later there=E2=80=99s commercial Unix:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 System III and System V, I guess.

BSD, until the lawsuit was resolved, required a Source code license, but th= eir installation count is important in pre-Commercial Unix.

Large licensees like SUN, HP & IBM (AIX) may not have published license= counts for their versions - but then, were their derivatives =E2=80=9CUnix= =E2=80=9D or something else?


Warner Loch=E2=80=99s paper has data to around 1978 [below].

I=E2=80=99ve no idea where to find data for USG issued licences, or if the = number of binary & source licences were ever reported in the Commercial= Era by AT&T.

I=E2=80=99ll not be the first person who=E2=80=99s gone down this road, but= my Search Fu isn=E2=80=99t good enough to find them.

Wondering if anyone on the list can point me at resources, even a bunch of = annual reports.

I don=E2=80=99t mind manually pulling out the data I=E2=80=99m interested i= n. But why reinvent the wheel if the work is already done?

steve

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

numbers extracted from Warner Loch=E2=80=99s paper.
I think he spells his last name "Losh" :)=C2=A0

<https:/= /papers.freebsd.org/2020/FOSDEM/losh-Hidden_early_history_of_Unix.files/sli= des.pdf>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02nd Edn June 1972=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A010 installations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03rd Edn February 1973=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A016
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A04th Edn November 1973=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>20, or 25

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 July 74=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0CACM paper "Unix Time Sharing System= =E2=80=9D after which external interest exploded

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A06th Edn 1975=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0??? =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A07th Edn March 1978=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0600+,=C2=A0 >300 = inside Bell System, "even more have been licensed to outside users=E2= =80=9D

These were the numbers that I co= uld find in contemporary documentation. 5th and 6th edition didn't have= a number like the manuals up to the 4th edition. I got the 7th edition fro= m somewhere I don't recall, but as the 6th and 7th editions were widely= licensed and started having lots of users based on ports that happened, it= can be hard to put numbers down.

Warner
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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Steve Jenkin,
0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915)
PO Box 38, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA

mailto:sjenki= n@canb.auug.org.au http://members.tip.net.au/~sjenkin
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