From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 11130 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2020 22:04:32 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 14 Apr 2020 22:04:32 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5AEA29C762; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:04:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE059C759; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:03:56 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="fbuDiZQy"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 773AC9C74D; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:03:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f47.google.com (mail-qv1-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA3D29C74C for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 08:03:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f47.google.com with SMTP id di6so723818qvb.10 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:03:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1WTyEkGZJsroGm7c+oAOAllS9fL6rl/bYTFYjOkwVjI=; b=fbuDiZQyuZD0LYGZoYE7tDRC8RN+kqIVtOyhlPmq0tz16V/limk32XOR5gTylAMNVm wVST3b+BiNcHTBuODrvvqem9aUtmHfpXTWXkTt29PmCkWYJhE/ZFLcgOvVk3cYtS4f8m 7XD+JX25HBMFHk9pyZlNeJaqRq6xkIRTlvoEJoqfQr8dfVzWs40Ad294xWlcD/Zyek9B 7HP74pF/o8dCkI6myCCBm6VVr9QsiXpvO5sl+iGU+vTFm4gJfzKrLSnRgtVA9poq3Rz8 N/gDQIDVpCKTeVjmdJIOcRgjigiATtZ6299b+wbb7Hn+eerm8Y9lZRTAm0gFoQgHbonT ygUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1WTyEkGZJsroGm7c+oAOAllS9fL6rl/bYTFYjOkwVjI=; b=SSU9jBE7QDqS2YmIC47VelAJIX/nVYPx/tueTVl3hl2gOvrnjiQ8yowb/+wjEB1VGa KEuays+CLr73omlCGuv6byUZc9mfucTng2lBDyacFnxoJ7JzV9+aN/9NQlg3B2ZAEi+c 3+gTp6iLW2RZJG5ldRQTYG9Z6QYCbaRCoEL4VNudPcmTVAMSEe1GBafCgYQeG0S8U5mt JQELQJ0wtFgmQMy/DbMNiqyUxSnc5q7EOzS2PDPy4bs81+bIlYlZ57IEUJB4WR+mROvr xf5k3Eg3vjWIOfvSjFEooNop3TkhWmuICqG/+SOyup5dRsBOj8jT8YbZXaPdWcBctWNO WK1A== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubdFlcrVX/cmX9eoP0lOpQGQmHUzaplfp2/kU9xDQR+5nBPttra TInXEoyAtWhwgCEnhgIy3KxJo/Mt/pvAfEWj+g+YDQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLhQIBZLRABYYGPS4Ibe08cZIMbX8vZ4P8pTMdC499xJ/W3BtnZki+BenCoRvIv5b+8+MhbuJB35J9HoAsXA3Y= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1781:: with SMTP id ct1mr2233659qvb.87.1586901832195; Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:03:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1jKkMQ-2hN-00@marmaro.de> <154b6bec-aaaf-4c40-54b9-4409e0940a05@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:03:40 -0600 Message-ID: To: Steve Mynott Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000000737105a347608d" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First book on Unix for general readership X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000000737105a347608d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I have the following 5 books: The Unix Operating System Book by Mike Banahan and Andy Rutter (Copyright 1983) A Unix Primer by Ann Nicols Lomuto & Nico Lomuto (Copyright 1983) The Unix System by SR Borne (Copyright 1983) Introducing the Unix System by Henry McGilton and Rachel Morgan (Copyright 1983) A User Guide to the Unix System by Rebecca Thomas and Jean Yates (Copyright 1982) The last one is quite interesting because it has a 13 page annotated bibliography. Here's the earlier books: Information and Publication Division. The UNIX System. An Easier Way to Communicate with Computers." 1979. This has a similar title to an article by SP Morgan in Bell Laboratories Record 56 (1978). The rest are all clearly articles in journals and magazines back to the original in 75. And I have the following on the way that's been mentioned before: Using the Unix System by Richard Gauthier Command Computer Programming 1981 So there's at least 2 books that pre-date Borne's book, maybe more. There's a second Banahan book that I ordered, but didn't get that claims to be 1982. Trying to get to the bottom of that... All of the above are tutorials to varying degrees, though I've only reviewed the Lomuto and Thomas/Yates books in any detail. None appear to have useful additional historic information. The McGilton/Morgan book is the oldest one I've seen talk about Berkeley Unix system. The chapter was written in the spring of 1982. And there's this gem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvDZLjaCJuw that I've seen before here I think, which is dated 1982 and is a film with the same title "he UNIX System. An Easier Way to Communicate with Computers" as one of the items above, so I wonder if that's this film or a paper copy of it. It's clearly Bell Labs related, though. Warner On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:32 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:27 AM Steve Mynott > wrote: > >> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 16:58, Nemo Nusquam wrote: >> > >> > On 04/04/20 11:05, markus schnalke wrote (in part): >> > > Thus I now wonder what the first book on Unix, intended for a general >> > > readership was. >> > Not to be overly pedantic but what would be a "general readership"? >> >> I think the wikipedia article meant Bourne's "The Unix System" was >> the first general introduction to UNIX. >> >> In the autumn of 1984 it was a recommended text book for an >> introduction to computing course aimed at first year science >> undergraduates at an English university. >> >> They taught us awk programming and basic shell commands on a VAX >> running BSD 4.1 using it. I still have a copy. >> >> So by general readership they probably meant primer. >> > > I think it's not the first primer, but it's one of the first. But I'll > know more once I process through the half dozen books from the early 80s on > Unix that just arrived from ebay... I'll post a brief review and a > bibliography > > > Warner > --00000000000000737105a347608d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have the following 5 books:

The Unix = Operating System Book by Mike Banahan and Andy Rutter (Copyright 1983)
A Unix Primer by Ann Nicols Lomuto & Nico Lomuto (Copyright 1983)=
The Unix System by SR Borne (Copyright 1983)
Introduci= ng the Unix System by Henry McGilton and Rachel Morgan (Copyright 1983)
A User Guide to the Unix System by Rebecca Thomas and Jean Yates (Co= pyright 1982)

The last one is quite interesting be= cause it has a 13 page annotated bibliography. Here's the earlier books= :

Information and Publication Division. The UNIX S= ystem. An Easier Way to Communicate with Computers." 1979. This has a = similar title to an article by SP Morgan in Bell Laboratories Record 56 (19= 78).=C2=A0 The rest are all clearly articles in journals and magazines back= to the original in 75.=C2=A0

And I have the follo= wing on the way that's been mentioned before:
Using the Unix = System by Richard Gauthier Command Computer Programming 1981
=
So there's at least 2 books that pre-date=C2=A0Borne'= ;s book, maybe more. There's a second Banahan book that I ordered, but = didn't get that claims to be 1982. Trying to get to the bottom of that.= .. All of the above are tutorials to varying degrees, though I've only = reviewed the Lomuto and Thomas/Yates books in any detail. None appear to ha= ve useful additional historic information.

The McG= ilton/Morgan book is the oldest one I've seen talk about Berkeley Unix = system. The chapter was written in the spring of 1982.

=
And there's this gem=C2=A0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXvDZLjaCJuw=C2=A0th= at I've seen before here I think, which is dated 1982 and is a film wit= h the same title "he UNIX System. An Easier Way to Communicate with Co= mputers" as one of the items above, so I wonder if that's this fil= m or a paper copy of it. It's clearly Bell Labs related, though.
<= div>
Warner

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 2:32 PM Warner Losh = <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:27 AM Steve Mynott <steve.mynott@gmail.com> wrote:
On = Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 16:58, Nemo Nusquam <cym224@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 04/04/20 11:05, markus schnalke wrote (in part):
> > Thus I now wonder what the first book on Unix, intended for a gen= eral
> > readership was.
> Not to be overly pedantic but what would be a "general readership= "?

I think the wikipedia article meant Bourne's "The Unix System"= ;=C2=A0 was
the first general introduction to UNIX.

In the autumn of 1984 it was a recommended text book for an
introduction to computing course aimed at first year science
undergraduates at an English university.

They taught us awk programming and basic shell commands on a VAX
running BSD 4.1 using it. I still have a copy.

So by general readership they probably meant primer.
<= br>
I think it's not the first primer,=C2=A0but it's one = of the first. But I'll know more once I process through the half dozen = books from the early 80s on Unix that just arrived from ebay... I'll po= st a brief review and a bibliography


Warner
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