From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11159 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2023 03:09:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Dec 2023 03:09:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6CB43DEC; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 13:09:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x136.google.com (mail-lf1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::136]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C31143DEA for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2023 13:09:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x136.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-50dfac6c0beso5020687e87.2 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:09:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1702955355; x=1703560155; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=PbWQknQM5yFEabT4r/IjluseI5STrozpLNQJ3jfKnVo=; b=hNwa/5EjDmG3uq3f3FAMrWzVZ/mGzdrv3ZgJD/D+jIlp1swdspd9oJHlU3rOod4wsW LpoXyUd1hIDWwWm3LzlEpNBtS99inEige3YOUqE0+A6rcb259GthoXXxdiBZUzzVzANJ CABkyeVLu3T/ipnnMdLKvI6y3+khH4/s7PZ8w1jnCRh4LxEp691gAHaDrno/N9uldoKY 35j029b/RBPw5snv441PjXTo6DOIPu9U+Gb9j48ot7SsuhMJZGuASmFMr7u2NVtymPHP fDBfzs8mfNo8HGPEsoo0nYG9Kh28JXrv5wosWrivyCkO/plX5r5mFimL/iB8fM31mThC iuLw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702955355; x=1703560155; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=PbWQknQM5yFEabT4r/IjluseI5STrozpLNQJ3jfKnVo=; b=X6a3GUuWWEJieKrLLwBE78xwP58aEKtJxH0G7YhM7p97vlqBCDmsa2cI3COAHCdWYZ teFYCCcvmUrNYZ11G5ge3rUBRAneiCM1l440wOfvjPlE9up8Wau+tFcBnDrb1zyVVNUD sLrZs9D/fCvp6X25rh6OdXU/aubX2l88bm3dKiaB4gDm8US1c8N+WFRQAIL1jJsIitDu 6NfS1DQNUZW9pkEoaBkJgDh9sFSlsTx7rNDEZ5PxtU8N2bF5x36Ddmytejk9H8RQ5zdY SlYVndhqZMhDzx0DaxUSF1wl1J0Xd4BrAmvKokakFW3M+sDkl1f2JPGlRO6XBQLeBKOP 1sQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzVLl1AphFtO3KsQ2xum+LZT6c30cbjuvmRmVuVWsLGY0k/CHgN ywgbiir7y7Z21UuMNYHFmBiKwHFd57Qn/nkBuxOIzxB87G/pQ8Fjsq8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFhNRHYQMxrYbqnX9uLwaKy/ViOdID/LWqWyZ6LBSMn/ulSp8hfaIeTb1XVeFA9ZLhXzlpIbKmiLQ9N29w/mM0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3191:b0:50d:1a1e:31ee with SMTP id i17-20020a056512319100b0050d1a1e31eemr11162601lfe.88.1702955355189; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:09:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 20:09:03 -0700 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000003cb45060cd43113" Message-ID-Hash: Z665FU26LWWA2B4JEIAOGSQCVZHTZ7BX X-Message-ID-Hash: Z665FU26LWWA2B4JEIAOGSQCVZHTZ7BX X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: PDP-7 and Interdata 8/32 Bell System UNIX Installations? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000003cb45060cd43113 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 6:45=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS wro= te: > Are there any documented or remembered instances PDP-7 or Interdata 8/32 > UNIX being installed on any such machines for use in the Bell System asid= e > from their original hosts? Along similar lines, was the mention of PDP-7 > UNIX also supporting the PDP-9 based solely on consistencies in the > architecture or did this early version of UNIX actually get bootstrapped = on > a real PDP-9 at some point? > I've been told it ran on a couple of pdp-9s at bell labs with the right disk controllers. The original one was a pdp-9 controller retofitted to work in the pdp-7. There was only ever 1 pdp-7 installation back in the day= . My understanding of the pre-3B-and-VAX landscape of UNIX in the Bell System > is predominantly PDP-11 systems, but there was also work in the late 70s > regarding 8086 hosts as evidenced in some BSTJ and other publications, an= d > there is the System/370 work (Holmdel?) which I don't know enough about t= o > say whether it technically starts before or after UNIX touches the VAX. > The pdp11 was the only machine to run unix until the ports began after the 5th edition came out. They began in earnest after the 6th Edition came out they began in earnest ar Bell Labs with the interdata 8/32 and IBM 370/VM. After that v7 was ported to the vax in what would become the 32V. Outside of Bell Labs was the internal 7/32 at Wollongong that beat the lab's effort. And another port to IBM 370/VM. I'm not sure when the 8086 with custom MMU was in all this. Late I believe: either just before V7 or just after. Warner Thanks for any info! > > - Matt G. > --00000000000003cb45060cd43113 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 6:45=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUH= S <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
Are t= here any documented or remembered instances PDP-7 or Interdata 8/32 UNIX be= ing installed on any such machines for use in the Bell System aside from th= eir original hosts?=C2=A0 Along similar lines, was the mention of PDP-7 UNI= X also supporting the PDP-9 based solely on consistencies in the architectu= re or did this early version of UNIX actually get bootstrapped on a real PD= P-9 at some point?

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I've been told it ran on a couple of pdp-9s at bell l= abs with the right disk controllers. The original one was a pdp-9 controlle= r retofitted to work in the pdp-7. There was only ever 1 pdp-7 installation= back in the day.

My understanding of the pre-3B-and-VAX landscape of UNIX in the Bell System= is predominantly PDP-11 systems, but there was also work in the late 70s r= egarding 8086 hosts as evidenced in some BSTJ and other publications, and t= here is the System/370 work (Holmdel?) which I don't know enough about = to say whether it technically starts before or after UNIX touches the VAX.<= br>

T= he pdp11 was the only machine to run unix until the ports began after the 5= th edition came out. They began in earnest after the 6th Edition came out t= hey began in earnest ar Bell Labs with the interdata 8/32 and IBM 370/VM. A= fter that v7 was ported to the vax in what would become the 32V. Outside of= Bell Labs was the internal 7/32 at Wollongong that beat the lab's effo= rt. And another port to IBM 370/VM. I'm not sure when the 8086 with cus= tom MMU was in all this. Late I believe: either just before V7 or just afte= r.

Warner=C2=A0

Thanks for any info!

- Matt G.
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