From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 16920 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2020 17:45:20 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 18 Apr 2020 17:45:20 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DC1949C839; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 03:45:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1319449E; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 03:45:00 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="F0W2k4VY"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 986559449E; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 03:44:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f172.google.com (mail-qk1-f172.google.com [209.85.222.172]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F33CE94497 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 03:44:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f172.google.com with SMTP id o19so6104086qkk.5 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=E+LFB6V5oSCNusT5gWkFneb0MgGECDnWLwCrwak7/78=; b=F0W2k4VYjNcP4yVdmbUs+enKvLb2TNiBVe85f7kXNVUWCqII0D9qJR5BDEkjQWt1nJ flBbxo5IQu+Cw7f02zWTDvmIRXDAOACH1RxbfQ0SfEmQfyzm8RV66zOJEzcU0DYRNuQf J/Xq+Qk5gKvZ6hHUSezy6ImjRthoYzbYtMho1z/JC3pGsYu4Wc07NVnECgRngyU/Cxea BAomGCJlOj+ZXk5prnMt6p8Pk/JbAWRZuspsqLsK9xA9LNOf5yupc7iyK4/eOJ8lZjMV 8J5kHhbYce+BqBXiLl9oULDebv4sS6lAYWk4xOdcZnv9uegxqlJhHxRLrGhhxaCqkmXy ZRng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=E+LFB6V5oSCNusT5gWkFneb0MgGECDnWLwCrwak7/78=; b=AuQpgNlRZ+JW+CWS9bJU6mpi44f9LE/7rzAvIXtSytT8WYqTWuBvXyxB/tuPoRKxd1 +yNJQWF6fCJIrVVlGfxw5zOouf1w0oxBWGqCHLufnAwoIDHQQ7/tmFPw7vqXtxVgExnV BbpsFCHvvgIFyCbaVw/4TRmeifMEW0Nnb89dszj5/aJiMcyOT8ZTmKks4wIgiTO83Tu3 ESU2ODq3tnuPExsEH4ZOQc87zlA9lUFm1qzF4GdwTmsdRCP3bWq6N1k4bzqLHMmUKlil WYYLMLv4W0rF3HEwKXcHXeOnj9EE/N4ry+GviN1EyUdrDUBxsaUalERCykTqNOozmn3v QHvw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubA6HmbzSQv4Fx6s4xqWewC0q7BIQdDjF3baCeC2FLZo+c5P3kJ FKH05oIIKnl4it8TiLNsDbG/c2peC3pa1n9hMD6SqA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIYeHFjUB1+gMz7l6Nlx5t0UxImiYXQhtLBtHW9zx6qoCDQu2LzstVOxtcx9hKCBJUOP2s9QJu7g7JUe8MrIk4= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6ce:: with SMTP id 197mr8586039qkg.495.1587231896894; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 10:44:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200418172018.AE33F2CF6BF9@macaroni.inf.ed.ac.uk> <20200418172337.GA22829@vagabond> In-Reply-To: <20200418172337.GA22829@vagabond> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 11:44:46 -0600 Message-ID: To: Pierre DAVID Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006408ef05a3943983" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Plan 9 from outer space ? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000006408ef05a3943983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:24 AM Pierre DAVID wrote: > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 06:20:18PM +0100, Richard Tobin wrote: > >> There is a widespred anecdote that "Plan 9" name comes from the > >> movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space". > > > >Given that the full name is "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" I don't think > >there's much doubt about it. > > > > Yes, but is there anything besides the name? > Plan 9 is the worst movie ever. And was for many years listed as the worst movie ever, including the formative years of plan 9. A professor(?) at CU once told me, though I don't know if I buy it, that plan 9 was Unix Plan B at first. There was a description that it was the worst system ever (except for all the others) in a knod to Churchill (supposedly based on his comment about Democracy). And from there it was a quick jump to Plan 9 from Bell Labs as all these themes flowed together in a mish-mash of creative naming... With a different name, it could break with Unix in interesting ways... I have no clue if this is true, and I'm no longer in contact with the professor that told me this since it was mid to late 90s, and I'm honestly having trouble recalling his name. It wasn't a 'big name' like Evi, but I think it was someone at CU I had a beer with (which means it could have been a grad student to post-doc as well, it was 25 years ago and beer was involved). It makes a great story, but I don't know if it's anything more than that. I put it out there because I know Rob or Ken is likely to correct something that's this detailed and specific if it's really wrong :) Warner --0000000000006408ef05a3943983 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:24 AM Pier= re DAVID <pdagog@gmail.com> w= rote:
On Sat, Ap= r 18, 2020 at 06:20:18PM +0100, Richard Tobin wrote:
>> There is a widespred anecdote that "Plan 9" name comes f= rom the
>> movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space".
>
>Given that the full name is "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" I don'= ;t think
>there's much doubt about it.
>

Yes, but is there anything besides the name?

Plan 9 is the worst movie ever. And was for many years listed as the = worst movie ever, including the formative years of plan 9.

A professor(?) at CU once told me, though I don't know if I bu= y it, that plan 9 was Unix Plan B at first. There was a description that it= was the worst system ever (except for all the others) in a knod to Churchi= ll (supposedly based on his comment about Democracy). And from there it was= a quick jump to Plan 9 from Bell Labs as all these themes flowed together = in a mish-mash of creative naming...=C2=A0 With a different name, it could = break with Unix in interesting ways...

I have no c= lue if this is true, and I'm no longer in contact with the professor th= at told me this since it was mid to late 90s, and I'm honestly having t= rouble recalling his name. It wasn't a 'big name' like Evi, but= I think it was someone at CU I had a beer with (which means it could have = been a grad student to post-doc=C2=A0as well, it was 25 years ago and beer = was involved). It makes a great story, but I don't know if it's any= thing more than that. I put it out there because I know Rob or Ken is likel= y to correct something that's this detailed and specific if it's re= ally wrong :)

Warner
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