From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13158 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2022 16:22:46 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Jul 2022 16:22:46 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447B940D2F; Sat, 2 Jul 2022 02:22:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f46.google.com (mail-vs1-f46.google.com [209.85.217.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38E0740D2E for ; Sat, 2 Jul 2022 02:22:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f46.google.com with SMTP id w187so2814466vsb.1 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 09:22:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Fd4sSYp1Enm1qJU9cFRPs1m032Hm3tUzw49I8yHSjl8=; b=33aF6Eywc2k3k3r6PAHVnyTLJrUWWFbqzd1MBFmtM7PCyqTOuRQPttunhn2spQ9K/m hmNz/N4W6nqpELK6dIKV6wKAhD1a70rvAadI9T7p6zc/Cbx3N3R2W194wf2pdqUSuQvs blslVMRD8kAEGz0/Z7wjKhT9+0qMI46U1zHwZIKIKeRjGwl7aEeUpWH6LwCh8ClkMRY3 4fS3U6gHRyQ6K0qRk68LzVUSGBxghoHGghMES3FCWQIWBXqbwXr3C2rrynGVMHh+JMQz IU8Wjn8pMNkSqNHy0cogFKBFz8zhlWWm9/nFqJDMgd+WglhQootshrz92W9znAKwltY5 sBkg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Fd4sSYp1Enm1qJU9cFRPs1m032Hm3tUzw49I8yHSjl8=; b=lkB9i/yQnTuZvluECFiMFKiqDq4nWMmlBDC6V3YhYi6kesuDdC5tlBSZ7d36z+ahDR gSzOZotv6y1+b+BwwFlfUjb0KQH5TjGhmQ4Nut5+CG6GJhqVvwjFnC0nKw0zECs5+LMc Aa0q2a+bMz3auXOJ7KPZBUbEjdVv7xmhewRXtjiTt4vLnP+Wm5s35cNONiOxUDvoaF5x dAJHm2BFVW4YaFzHHC7C+ByA1nn+mYHOy77YqQWF+PqKYoVMCfDKGSSP5Z1fcBgyPros badJMOvKutIR1pYhjTqfCZsNxQQnGDOmPuF+spkFuLFNQ6aMoif0FHmbCLoiiWPNRk6b qFlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/Xk5024z+W+VCpyZSnDQNxbpk8forHz1JIWp9IDXffruglQUGf EcOmrTj1JqDALmeiP3dTbFQjeaH2+/JVVQzy2ETje/24v+8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1stvrlGyxPlGJBoh0XsNPZkKfr6jYaym5rKUY0e/y3NwIEf9QpY1C7FBKztaw5DTGbAavHbQcvvMb1KrW+ik+U= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ef84:0:b0:354:3ae9:e6f7 with SMTP id r4-20020a67ef84000000b003543ae9e6f7mr11224230vsp.41.1656692463024; Fri, 01 Jul 2022 09:21:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7wv8sg6dd2.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> In-Reply-To: <7wv8sg6dd2.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2022 10:20:51 -0600 Message-ID: To: Lars Brinkhoff Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c2d06d05e2c0c53c" Message-ID-Hash: OHHZ6OJMXHAZXAXP5TKDU6OM6XCJIU35 X-Message-ID-Hash: OHHZ6OJMXHAZXAXP5TKDU6OM6XCJIU35 X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: "9 skills our grandkids won't have" - Is this a TUHS topic? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000c2d06d05e2c0c53c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 9:50 AM Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > Steve Nickolas wrote: > > Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > >> Some other O/Ses have used Ctrl-Z for that purpose, presumably > >> because Z is the final letter of numerous alphabets. > > > > I thought only CP/M and its descendants did that. > > Also TOPS-10. And proably other DEC operating systems, but I don't know > much about those. I believe CP/M was inspired by many of the DEC > traditions, > VMS, TOPS-20, RT-11 and RSTS/e did as well. Presumably RSX did too since DEC tried hard to keep RSX/VMS 'finger compatible' though I have no first hand experience with RSX to say for sure. Warner --000000000000c2d06d05e2c0c53c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 9:50 AM Lars B= rinkhoff <lars@nocrew.org> wro= te:
Steve Nickol= as wrote:
> Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
>> Some other O/Ses have used Ctrl-Z for that purpose, presumably
>> because Z is the final letter of numerous alphabets.
>
> I thought only CP/M and its descendants did that.

Also TOPS-10.=C2=A0 And proably other DEC operating systems, but I don'= t know
much about those.=C2=A0 I believe CP/M was inspired by many of the DEC
traditions,

VMS, TOPS-20, RT-11 and RST= S/e did as well. Presumably RSX did too since
DEC tried hard to k= eep RSX/VMS 'finger compatible' though I have no first hand
experience with RSX to say for sure.

Warner=
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