From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12675 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2023 01:36:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Jan 2023 01:36:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C596424F5; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:36:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ej1-f42.google.com (mail-ej1-f42.google.com [209.85.218.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D55A424F4 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 11:36:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ej1-f42.google.com with SMTP id tz11so10086081ejc.0 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 17:36:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=0rldyiVQ/l5ALLkOCizAwctQEFuGaG9eGDVbnA8E9X4=; b=qBx9ho0uRrYlbkdH9j71DTZfrk6Ftep5yPHyR1AqYd5FcWSJpoZu6YScvdwDNsRpEI EBY+UmJzywHck4ezNi8K9dqj0FDJqAkuoLqeo+dUzpyXNr6S0EElX7B5l+mnRq0zWXf4 2SWsE1CNohjCKhbq7VrWCYJW56VM3eplgM6w//mVohmUpG1NmP5jHkWM1CspYg1tv8T3 V6eg5NZv7LyWoKAUsN0vV5iUA3cktWZlKRSp6Fny4r5Wchxefpx6NCZYvfXkLc7O7NoX LOXsw//KqR5LQ84hZKnDbr5wgDC4xbAbhPBHp1xBBmPKEq6k9bwXFoFBbo+qLUe9HvGz EaZQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=0rldyiVQ/l5ALLkOCizAwctQEFuGaG9eGDVbnA8E9X4=; b=XClKe6Ef5gv9yJFhkgdY5mM/DZxC12q163wQTBNu/ERZC3HlMTGCPLBARmwtpqrXII IKCyZU+5w8inCNhKkJZBpZVvYc16JgRFjQl07SbWjefeCzIQD/g5si+hFuKLhuriFaH8 uO7GGgqSSXkQgzULLTggLjBDqJH2fPzpTAul73KHoDOS2Hv7hikCg40Bk9Jx4vEPjrGQ 8EQx5pR6699yM0aXprMDaK9CW+83tV4zVKky9y0RLjKfDBe2MyYxVRPbXPhYbCMX6PGr dmwhfxVxmx7Xz3Mtq77VDMaDCnvS1qJPCiSMuBae8uc9N0nAks9q++kfzokp00AGfBPi Iblg== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKVuVVznY0ZLrbq6lpNOQkIeSvEZwk3EPGE3JYDVI4IdXgV75k1u /koOkqm3LkCNtb0aFAp/8OMxEka5bl9SKRdHfzw4CHsOcBZxnQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXuo6ztJcLnyR4b42DXTSJwLz2pCid3sdO/Xb6Kou9w7TL0FzljPh5kUif9DC3PHFbqeHxWkY0OtaJCceQIAnpI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3042:b0:877:ec5e:87ce with SMTP id d2-20020a170906304200b00877ec5e87cemr2649369ejd.262.1674783314477; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 17:35:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2023 18:35:02 -0700 Message-ID: To: David Arnold Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000891bd505f334e0e9" Message-ID-Hash: S7WABW3FTGFWU32RDFPB2B7GHVMJHW6I X-Message-ID-Hash: S7WABW3FTGFWU32RDFPB2B7GHVMJHW6I X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , Joseph Holsten , Tautological Eunuch Horticultural Scythians X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] =?utf-8?q?Re=3A_Collecting_notes_for_future_=E2=80=9Chistorians=E2=80=9D_was=3A_Earliest_UNIX_Workstations=3F?= List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000891bd505f334e0e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've moved to markdown or asciidoc for things like this. So many things can import them and they are easier to write than roff or TeX. Warner On Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 6:29 PM David Arnold wrote: > fwiw, Pandoc (https://pandoc.org) claims to be able to translate between > MediaWiki and both man and ms roff macros. > > > > > d > > > > On 27 Jan 2023, at 11:54, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > > > > =EF=BB=BFYou just got my head all abuzz on whether a *roff<->MediaWiki > transpiler would be: 1. Possible and 2. Beneficial. > > > > We use a MediaWiki at work for aggregating random tidbits from people > that they think might get lost in project noise. There's times I'd love = to > have some way to *roff-ize the materials for white papers, the printouts > from MediaWiki are uuuuugly. Benefits on the flip-side would be rapidly > getting all sorts of documentation into Wiki format pretty quickly. > > > > Of course, for an actual documentation project, there would need to be = a > master as diverse edits in different places wouldn't track with one > another. In this case, the *roff sources would probably make a better > master for diff reasons. > > > > - Matt G. > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > >> On Thursday, January 26th, 2023 at 4:36 PM, G. Branden Robinson < > g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Joseph, > >> At 2023-01-26T14:41:50-0800, Joseph Holsten wrote: > >>> And if I=E2=80=99m writing in troff, is there a preferred macro set f= or > >>> articles these days? A decade ago I wrote manuals in mdoc but papers > >>> in LaTeX; these days I just lean on pandoc to translate. I=E2=80=99ll= need to > >>> knock my rust off. > >> There's always ms. It's pretty easy to acquire, and will produce > >> authentic looking traditional Unix papers with little effort. Here's a > >> manual that Larry Kollar and I wrote, in source and PDF forms. It's > >> gotten positive feedback from the groff mailing list. > >> Regards, > >> Branden > > --000000000000891bd505f334e0e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've moved to markdown or asciidoc for things like th= is. So many things can import them and they are easier to write than roff o= r TeX.

Warner=C2=A0

On Th= u, Jan 26, 2023, 6:29 PM David Arnold <davida@pobox.com> wrote:
= fwiw, Pandoc (https://pandoc.org) claims to be able to translate be= tween MediaWiki and both man and ms roff macros.




d


> On 27 Jan 2023, at 11:54, segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote= :
>
> =EF=BB=BFYou just got my head all abuzz on whether a *roff<->Med= iaWiki transpiler would be: 1. Possible and 2. Beneficial.
>
> We use a MediaWiki at work for aggregating random tidbits from people = that they think might get lost in project noise.=C2=A0 There's times I&= #39;d love to have some way to *roff-ize the materials for white papers, th= e printouts from MediaWiki are uuuuugly.=C2=A0 Benefits on the flip-side wo= uld be rapidly getting all sorts of documentation into Wiki format pretty q= uickly.
>
> Of course, for an actual documentation project, there would need to be= a master as diverse edits in different places wouldn't track with one = another.=C2=A0 In this case, the *roff sources would probably make a better= master for diff reasons.
>
> - Matt G.
>
> ------- Original Message -------
>> On Thursday, January 26th, 2023 at 4:36 PM, G. Branden Robinson &l= t;g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Joseph,
>> At 2023-01-26T14:41:50-0800, Joseph Holsten wrote:
>>> And if I=E2=80=99m writing in troff, is there a preferred macr= o set for
>>> articles these days? A decade ago I wrote manuals in mdoc but = papers
>>> in LaTeX; these days I just lean on pandoc to translate. I=E2= =80=99ll need to
>>> knock my rust off.
>> There's always ms. It's pretty easy to acquire, and will p= roduce
>> authentic looking traditional Unix papers with little effort. Here= 's a
>> manual that Larry Kollar and I wrote, in source and PDF forms. It&= #39;s
>> gotten positive feedback from the groff mailing list.
>> Regards,
>> Branden

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