From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 30988 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2022 02:35:17 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Dec 2022 02:35:17 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450CC423D0; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:35:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-f41.google.com (mail-ed1-f41.google.com [209.85.208.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 796C5423C9 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:35:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-f41.google.com with SMTP id e13so8275340edj.7 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:35:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=i/LOoWjNcPtWbvV0VOs0kZxyxRPbmWSs5esx+ygyPvk=; b=7Ne5Su2Ig/2WScS3TN46YePPJ+TppJdx9MrQy2ZprNAENEuhj5L86IYhzM/5pLw5D3 RLuAhfdUUiYVw9Pti/N05vB7KP4UQk8wU1IdfzwlUIFxLpuXP7BVZe2S/YJlH3NHv/7D cDYBw5YqjZF1JG8V5/JjmEZBxdy2tLzGsNDOnnO4p/j3FvKPfXYh+AfRDDmsCxneYODL yF09YgObdujk6Dvj7NYIpmKVs9vi3o8l/hD6PZV0yh/jHr/JsY582ZUiaitxVnFCWZaZ GvZqWPOVFBBpzuNdLHcbUQbrphOUJsNgh0WWUnww1+PsBSbGUSx/z6g+1A5a63gT9w7c JA0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=i/LOoWjNcPtWbvV0VOs0kZxyxRPbmWSs5esx+ygyPvk=; b=r7LG2e2DGFht9f6h2JNangzXLLtKfUSv2xc8kO9JhrGHqsGopU+H+SkwzFmQ2Ogtk2 eSDw+M4WFoKJXLp7cFisbv6TgdM7x2WliJJ1g6C45/FB2G+p5Nq9ifcLxh8eI35waR0d CaY3macRo9PskjRnYSjq8ZU384StgM5JZiDIiantjMoXaffDjSFZzHlxWU/FrxdUsfTc WoZkR9QXZ0nJlDG6k2vvVecE5emvSn7KAL8F5PXBg7TjqbTlhgXF8saeii1YhRB4DB+/ Z69y4SY0eeFqHcoMN37lqVlGsz9bfc435AwFjTuA9/noYspWH0KuvWJThyC9lwE2gAZ4 HvsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pkAcx12Y0jc3kbN4PmajlpUj09Dn2Mt2zrq6ZrT2cI8z9Owe6ln 1O2o4XHEstZoG5olk9PftRyFER0O4ERLo5tXmUqbKo64TIhEhw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf6kG8Lpd+X4be1StELy+sdWksBeNhSKgmVI1RcE7O4aMXSiqaAJrp1hbe6s5P8tQMMnL90iwOVAagAWyzjDRmE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:1684:b0:46b:1396:e132 with SMTP id a4-20020a056402168400b0046b1396e132mr45719929edv.421.1670726046032; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:34:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20221211021628.GM8801@mcvoy.com> <20221211023207.GN8801@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20221211023207.GN8801@mcvoy.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 19:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007db98305ef8438b1" Message-ID-Hash: PIJSKZOZLDFEVH5LCCC6JCH3T4LGJALM X-Message-ID-Hash: PIJSKZOZLDFEVH5LCCC6JCH3T4LGJALM X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000007db98305ef8438b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 7:32 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 07:26:09PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 7:16 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > > Wow, Kermit is still around? I think the last time I used that was > > > around 1985. > > > > > > Are modems still a thing? > > > > I used it last year... without a modem. > > What problem does it solve that is not solved? > Talking to my DEC Rainbow and downloading files to it? It was the go-to protocol of choice. Xmodem is available, but messes up file sizes. kermit just works with this device that's so slow it drops characters at 2400 baud. Warner --0000000000007db98305ef8438b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 7:32 PM Larry= McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
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On Sat, Dec 10, 2022= at 07:26:09PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 7:16 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow, Kermit is still around?=C2=A0 I think the last time I used t= hat was
> > around 1985.
> >
> > Are modems still a thing?
>
> I used it last year... without a modem.

What problem does it solve that is not solved?

Talking to my DEC Rainbow and downloading files to it? It was the g= o-to protocol of choice. Xmodem is available, but messes up file sizes. ker= mit just works with this device that's so slow it drops characters at 2= 400 baud.

Warner=C2=A0
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