From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 8c9e28d4 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 06:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 17C5794FBB; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:06:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDE594FB8; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:06:07 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="jjR7Q9PQ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E6E0594FB9; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:06:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f195.google.com (mail-qt1-f195.google.com [209.85.160.195]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 907EE94FB8 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:06:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f195.google.com with SMTP id t13so5933170qtn.3 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:06:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WtzzPoC5z3vRzOVSosD2vcZPxVcz3Ymf9QYv+2nnH+0=; b=jjR7Q9PQ+z65e3ShDU/2R9S4JlSZvHq1snLgr1KbRnPmWCChI25TWsVZEQxMmoN8cg SGfaKpouIx4igHTLzlMtMjliAIxl4kQ6jv9rNKOEqFUnaqT0gwEMeGAUC8Sd5nzr1xB2 ZMIXZwp2X81etHHqoTjLGNaZ5z3EdaG2ppIWq6KmshGgM6N6YrbZEs4cS6qQRLO6ynel QfprtZlJJpjuyy0IvQ3j3drjDt7yqvlRPtv/SI9bN3tbXaEoEN5n+lTK7GFefg0YGbH2 f552D6esbDzsG5iREfUhel104J+sjaU5+B8d8uWZMumIyri3X2z9nQRzToVE280SVM7q MJkg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WtzzPoC5z3vRzOVSosD2vcZPxVcz3Ymf9QYv+2nnH+0=; b=eGeP03rJmqk4OypKeNVm5oLaY6yIxLVO+Oap/x8uIFwUDNzlnlaXLPN827NklXfLDd 5YCYvYF2oH48wLN9ED0ezRA2sq4Ns1oXfRAu1AsuwdBkS7SbyrFaHJRhD9Bp/K338o1i RT8KT9gBdrTTU+Gz4Sj5sAQQTI0Qb/zNJdiomIUBZBHd/J8fc3z3alBSoORSqTtxCIgW EzxFj4CgSSCLlAnDK0/ENFqMyAFV3oNPDhxPS+WBOMJdMEdDpxIzEHb+iJSOWF7NqIOU fjsk/+VJ5Tvq2r6UaUUfeI2h6ADwGUrq1ISGBo1h8Hs+uupLaR8naLkeO2Lt/DHhZqaj WmFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukclVovehVT/DJH//jadWjgNHLIQqipto1mNh3y0r2f6hykGpU9C rBqXm3MziXoee4Im3va3WxEfMPirwLNV2TS2a24x5A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN7afc/q5q6u4aVhjo9IxNLoL23XtA70q5B4BX+EUqDZUEpbe8bv11o2UgsJAza4zes9tQ4br8tjQd0cT5LYPuo= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:548a:: with SMTP id h10mr5933927qtq.15.1547618760333; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:06:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 23:05:48 -0700 Message-ID: To: Henry Bent Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000753210057f8d1248" Subject: Re: [TUHS] The John Snow's of the UNIX family X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000753210057f8d1248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 9:48 PM Henry Bent > On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 23:08, George Michaelson wrote: > >> In my opinion, the popularity of a UNIX platform is tightly tied to >> the availability of the platform at university. >> > > That's a very good point. But going too far in that direction may have > been a problem too. My understanding is that Omron's Luna 88K line was > very closely tied to the education market. It ran a customized version of > Mach, so in some sense I suppose they were tied to CMU from the get-go, and > my understanding is that they courted the education market heavily. > Oberlin College was given, outright, a four processor 88K Luna. Today I'm > not sure you could find a running Luna if you wanted to. > https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=view&id=4501 Claims to be running OpenBSD as of a few months ago. There are also reports of NetBSD as well. There appear to be maybe 6 different machines listed here. Not sure this really disproves your point though. Warner > --000000000000753210057f8d1248 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


= On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 9:48 PM Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 23:08, George Michaelson <ggm@algeb= ras.org> wrote:
In my opinion, the popularity of a UNIX p= latform is tightly tied to
the availability of the platform at university.

That's a very good point.=C2=A0 But going too far in that dire= ction may have been a problem too.=C2=A0 My understanding is that Omron'= ;s Luna 88K line was very closely tied to the education market.=C2=A0 It ra= n a customized version of Mach, so in some sense I suppose they were tied t= o CMU from the get-go, and my understanding is that they courted the educat= ion market heavily.=C2=A0 Oberlin College was given, outright, a four proce= ssor 88K Luna.=C2=A0 Today I'm not sure you could find a running Luna i= f you wanted to.


Claims to be running OpenBSD as of a few months ago. There are also repor= ts of NetBSD as well. There appear to be maybe 6 different machines listed = here.

Not sure this real= ly disproves your point though.

Warner
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