From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E642021F for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 02:20:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3ED943BC0; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 10:20:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-x434.google.com (mail-pf1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::434]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1D9043BBF for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 10:20:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-x434.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-70633f0812dso345882b3a.0 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:20:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1718842816; x=1719447616; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=v+llrjnnaIa/c2vLghG6Hy6j4n/azezz3CTyPDfCWpQ=; b=GCmINtKNRXYLaBrsrraUigEWP4LZHKZpuduSWiE6ZJaGIBd9UQSrM7pZ+VTWMnSNqG 6rYVDFPxSf9bg/vQXWsVtfuJxxX3E99lsW1idYLTC9c5BWN7weq2AsQc9GshjnVwgouA tU5mjoNF+8DWzysUvvwz65AbCmtnmsRpOTUXWRMqLoP/XTzC1LKwMuqi5vLQ5InQgT/+ cU0SSr6VwPEVg6kH7adbQMptpjFru078JNXE1lPXPUU0yY7s3EFkmRbke3NxWWV7VjPJ KZgv4hxx5YpI+a/Gd85kUiNTW2jZubioqMtysrjmTC2DzxZs3UcX9lQ/i6EzKS/ZKCbo G1Ww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718842816; x=1719447616; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=v+llrjnnaIa/c2vLghG6Hy6j4n/azezz3CTyPDfCWpQ=; b=mLDQn1gSj5bEfPXom0+AA8pq08p3aEAo6OAai2b2i2OM1vwqwwWiuoF6ktoMaKrtrR 6FytNzJsrxkycc4723xl0xs30rd8u3lLkku3PHFBgUQ5mYtHFbJw0kLB/Mf/QZMCVJ80 wMvhpcH620EjAO/cNOKJ31B4tS03SahMrsssXmkpyKbIu5DXxROv7LOSpLRDlzMmDa89 f/HwFQrAyy0tPbc3AAxV0fScg+YWnhvzlsJ2LYr5NVKB28SPiOuu0CYwpXsV8/i6yK0z XzbfauO67pGadpVhpWQe2r73hYnJfldFz8wQz8jNIAzNg4G3sP4tOepkmt7UWhhnGrve 8fRA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWFz+jTI+WfVvvE1mvASvjS/1lpsWZfMkPfoMeGkEJ/3xNZd5znt40H8Paxd3LtaVS9ASRB4VNasGLApf2k X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxNy9zTEFlKND4mSnzkEdv/qnv3R5LOagI1TDhcOm8rJTHHxfvi 4UOmw7ja3HCOtETVOeCTit4D4WQd2kKvNWqZFM8OmJWWJNDytOXeGEKNZe6NgP+BE7WArmhm2C8 NG+8Vmq3uJ/69ydjdn6i24YxPH603HmSd6nJQG/3t3TJNwqVNQs0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGBBE94ILkQXbRH1yRT2bszWGyTr2LPYI53lZINCAkvv2ePpuDbpCA8jtz0RlMerbQuhVExo9z0K8xiBK/Cop4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:6d27:b0:1b6:7d90:1c96 with SMTP id adf61e73a8af0-1bcbb3ef10dmr3711477637.22.1718842815711; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:20:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58cc45a9-d1b0-9dba-c3c0-a2970c4d7b3d@bitsavers.org> <477b0ad9-1dc0-11bc-bab0-5a0fb3134639@bitsavers.org> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 18:20:04 -0600 Message-ID: To: Peter Yardley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000074a3e5061b474752" Message-ID-Hash: MKJNSM25S3QX7NXSIOQKOQ6NWTQAHKO3 X-Message-ID-Hash: MKJNSM25S3QX7NXSIOQKOQ6NWTQAHKO3 X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Al Kossow , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Anyone have Plexus docs/software squirreled away? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000074a3e5061b474752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At one point, a google search could find most of the VMS source, at least through VMS 5 or maybe 6. I didn't download it at the time and haven't searched since... Given the ubiquity of vms on microfiche I wasn't surprised at the time. A quick search today, though, comes up dry. Warner On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, 5:21=E2=80=AFPM Peter Yardley wrote: > We had VMS source on microfiche as part of he support contract. If you > payed more you could have got it as machine readable. > > > On 20 Jun 2024, at 8:58=E2=80=AFAM, Kevin Bowling > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 6:46=E2=80=AFAM Al Kossow w= rote: > > On 6/19/24 3:25 PM, Kevin Bowling wrote: > > > > > Seems like yet another mediocre UNIX port at first, but then they > happen to find the system schematic netlists and PAL equations in additio= n > > > to partial source code on the hard disk. If those are published that > will make a quite wholesome thing to study. > > > > I tried to stress on their discord that finding things like that 40 > years out is a very unusual occurence. > > I've spent decades digging through people's garages trying to find stuf= f > like that for bitsavers. > > > > I=E2=80=99m weak in my DEC history and collection but I=E2=80=99ve hear= d some in person > stories that VMS source was not impossible to find on microfiche at certa= in > institutions. They might have had at least board level schematics too. > That situation would be roughly equivalent to IBM mainframes through the > 1980s but you=E2=80=99d still be missing a lot of microcode and logic equ= ations to > zoom in at any level for these two examples. > > > > Are you aware of anything else where the whole kit and caboodle is > available? Particularly keen on microcode and logic equations since that > stuff is indeed hard to come by. > > Peter Yardley > peter.martin.yardley@gmail.com > > --00000000000074a3e5061b474752 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
At one point, a google search could find most of the VMS = source, at least through VMS 5 or maybe 6. I didn't download it at the = time and haven't searched since... Given the ubiquity of vms on microfi= che I wasn't surprised at the time. A quick search today, though, comes= up dry.

Warner
On Wed, J= un 19, 2024, 5:21=E2=80=AFPM Peter Yardley <peter.martin.yardley@gmail.com> wrote:
We had VMS source on microfiche as part of= he support contract. If you payed more you could have got it as machine re= adable.

> On 20 Jun 2024, at 8:58=E2=80=AFAM, Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowl= ing@kev009.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 6:46=E2=80=AFAM Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org= > wrote:
> On 6/19/24 3:25 PM, Kevin Bowling wrote:
>
> > Seems like yet another mediocre UNIX port at first, but then they= happen to find the system schematic netlists and PAL equations in addition=
> > to partial source code on the hard disk.=C2=A0 If those are publi= shed that will make a quite wholesome thing to study.
>
> I tried to stress on their discord that finding things like that 40 ye= ars out is a very unusual occurence.
> I've spent decades digging through people's garages trying to = find stuff like that for bitsavers.
>
> I=E2=80=99m weak in my DEC history and collection but I=E2=80=99ve hea= rd some in person stories that VMS source was not impossible to find on mic= rofiche at certain institutions.=C2=A0 They might have had at least board l= evel schematics too.=C2=A0 That situation would be roughly equivalent to IB= M mainframes through the 1980s but you=E2=80=99d still be missing a lot of = microcode and logic equations to zoom in at any level for these two example= s.
>
> Are you aware of anything else where the whole kit and caboodle is ava= ilable?=C2=A0 Particularly keen on microcode and logic equations since that= stuff is indeed hard to come by.

Peter Yardley
peter.martin.yardley@gmail.com

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