[TUHS] Quick video: what's the oldest BSD distro

[TUHS] Quick video: what's the oldest BSD distro

[Warner Losh]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww60o940kEk

You may be surprised :)

Warner

P.S. Hope this is relevant enough to share here. Also, if I botched
anything I've not yet mentioned in the comments, please let me know...

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Re: [TUHS] Quick video: what's the oldest BSD distro

[Warren Toomey]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 01:27:35PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
>    [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww60o940kEk
>    You may be surprised :)
>    Warner
>    P.S. Hope this is relevant enough to share here. Also, if I botched
>    anything I've not yet mentioned in the comments, please let me know...

Really good Warner. Given that RetroBSD is based on 2.11BSD, you could even
say that 2.11BSD is still in use on current hardware.

Cheers, Warren

Re: [TUHS] Quick video: what's the oldest BSD distro

[Tony Finch]

Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww60o940kEk

A small query: I think you dated Mac OS X to 2000, which I guess refers to
the Public Beta [1] but there was a Mac OS X Server 1.0 release in 1999
[2] and developer preview releases in 1997 and 1998 when it was known by
its codename Rhapsody (apparently Mac OS X Server 1.0 still called itself
Rhapsody [3]). Rhapsody was clearly an intermediate stage between
NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP and Mac OS X, so I suppose it's too different to count
as a continuation, following your argument that 2.11BSD is too different
to 2.9/2.10BSD to count as a continuation...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Public_Beta
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Server_1.0
[3] http://rhapsodyos.org/

Tony.
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Re: [TUHS] Quick video: what's the oldest BSD distro

[Warner Losh]

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:

> Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww60o940kEk
>
> A small query: I think you dated Mac OS X to 2000, which I guess refers to
> the Public Beta [1] but there was a Mac OS X Server 1.0 release in 1999
> [2] and developer preview releases in 1997 and 1998 when it was known by
> its codename Rhapsody (apparently Mac OS X Server 1.0 still called itself
> Rhapsody [3]). Rhapsody was clearly an intermediate stage between
> NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP and Mac OS X, so I suppose it's too different to count
> as a continuation, following your argument that 2.11BSD is too different
> to 2.9/2.10BSD to count as a continuation...
>

Yea, that's what I thought. Either one could say that 2.9BSD was continued
to 2.10 and 2.11 by Seismo and related folks (which puts its release back
to 1983 or 1985 depending on how you count things) and also the NextStep /
OpenStep -> Rhapsody -> MacOS would count which puts it 1989 as the first
release. There was at least some level of discontinuity in each of the
transitions (BSD -> Seismo and NextStep -> MacOS) so I excluded them both...

In some ways there's a continuity between CSRG and FreeBSD (Kirk and
others) and NetBSD (others) as well, so how do you count that?  If you zoom
in too much, it becomes hard to make an unambiguous break because the code
pased from hand to hand so much with overlapping groups of people...

Warner


> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Public_Beta
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Server_1.0
> [3] http://rhapsodyos.org/
>
> Tony.
> --
> f.anthony.n.finch  <dot@dotat.at>  http://dotat.at/
> Bailey, Fair Isle, Faeroes: Variable mainly northerly 3 to 5, occasionally
> 6
> in south Bailey and east Fair Isle. Slight or moderate, becoming rough
> later
> in southeast Fair Isle. Showers. Good.
>

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Re: [TUHS] Quick video: what's the oldest BSD distro

[Clem Cole]

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:18 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:

>  If you zoom in too much, it becomes hard to make an unambiguous break
> because the code pased from hand to hand so much with overlapping groups of
> people...
>
And that's the real issue with any of these.   At one point does one stop
and another start.  The people were pretty free and we all moved around.
 I do tend to think of FreeBSD and NetBSD and the follow on too much of
CSRG and frankly, while they are different, they were more similar than
different (FreeBSD focused on x86 originally and NetBSD was a little less
polished in those days but worked on more HW).

At some point, you are picking nits and it really becomes more opinion/what
you value than anything else.

I also think some of BSD (people & IP) leached into Research and vice versa.

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