From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: imp@bsdimp.com (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 09:42:09 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] Code bloat (was: How Unix brings people together, or it's a small...) In-Reply-To: <20170209163658.GO25691@mcvoy.com> References: <930c52a0c279cdd7d44953aa403a504a8622bb83@webmail.yaccman.com> <20170208025538.GE65698@eureka.lemis.com> <20170209163658.GO25691@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Larry McVoy wrote: >> The best one seems to have been the 3Com stack, which puts IP in the >> kernel and TCP in a daemon. By the way, this implementation is also >> where SLIP seems to have originated. > > As much as I love all the nostalgia, and as cool as SLIP was, if I never > have to experience the pain of trying to run TCP/IP over a modem again, > I'll be happy. For me, SLIP was just not worth it. Too much overhead > when bandwidth was too precious. A dial up terminal emulator was a > better answer in my experience. > > Don't get me wrong, SLIP was cool. Modems were slow. Let's not forget the latency. 128ms of latency over modems was awesomely low... That changed relatively little, even as the speeds went from 1200 baud up to 57.6k. While I am nostalgic for my early coding days on a 1200 baud video screen and a 300 baud printer, I do not miss the speed or the latency issues... Warner