From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: imp@bsdimp.com (Warner Losh) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 22:18:28 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] Windows roots and Unix influence (was Re: Happy birthday, Ken Thompson!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:06 PM, Wesley Parish wrote: > From what little I know, Dave Cutler was wanting to work on a VMS > (Next Generation) at DEC, but couldn't manage to get management to > agree, so when the possibility of doing a VMS (Next Gen) at Microsoft > came up, he jumped for it. > > At least that's what I read back in the late 90s. I've forgotten where > I read it, unfortunately, so unless someone can come up with a source > for it, best treat it with a pinch of salt. This was certainly the story that was going around at the time... Warner > > Wesley Parish > > On 2/4/18, Nemo Nusquam wrote: > > On 02/03/18 19:37, Dan Cross wrote (in part): > >> The design of the original NT kernel was overseen by Dave Cutler, of VMS > >> and RSX-11M fame, and had a very strong and apparent VMS influence. Some > >> VAX wizards I know told me that they saw a lot of VMS in NT's design, > >> but that it probably wasn't as good (different design goals, etc: > >> apparently Gates wanted DOS++ and a quick time to market; Cutler wanted > >> to do a *real* OS and they compromised to wind up with VMS--). > > > > I recall that Cutler wanted a portable OS and had a cli version running > > on MIPS first. Eventually, Gates ordered a GUI "bolted on" and things > > went bad. > > > >> It's true that there was (is? I don't know anymore...) a POSIX > >> subsystem, but that seemed more oriented at being a marketing check in > >> the box for sales to the US government and DoD (which had "standardized" > >> on POSIX and made it a requirement when investing in new systems). > > > > Indeed, but it was functionally useless in that it could interact with > > the NT system. It always reminds of the time that NT obtained FIPS 140 > > Level 1 but with no network. (Had NIST not re-organised their website, I > > would link to the certificate.) > > > > N. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: