From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18004 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2021 02:21:02 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Apr 2021 02:21:02 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C28D99CA7A; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:20:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4229CA5B; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:20:05 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="BnLg4dtp"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6D1F89CA5B; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:20:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f50.google.com (mail-qv1-f50.google.com [209.85.219.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B7219C883 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 12:20:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f50.google.com with SMTP id x27so4899232qvd.2 for ; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 19:20:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LQKiKLc5a/xoxbCuhUxp/4upEc7cKTguL9UKKVs5Ftc=; b=BnLg4dtpzHRRr8loBHV0cj9OWgf7R7p6EcW3ysO0sQga1f4nsPg3seLownIeJkMKMG 1LVHm/NKmmSUdNlgJ3C/U+engF7dmBS+K7b0BqEAqJQS9vlxWMz9I6QVBnC+iiwAPUR1 IWo65gPIY5TwikJHaUzAQkhdXFjYaaxZLHq4fJIYPSgnI5oTxqxr0qR5lc07YWSbPD5T f4U9yTKj7c34WVD3XK/N2fi0xTIkS1n2aVGgatZ1fR3AcGgY9SkRpBKl/i9cdgDB/Hff 8Php04iyyhn+djfpqtRfxNICIpiVjOnIBAIuNP5HTPWxJClisW8abcYhZE2pBZCwMto6 S5dA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LQKiKLc5a/xoxbCuhUxp/4upEc7cKTguL9UKKVs5Ftc=; b=bO8nDIbkVRHi+helngXSNp2NS4rDHmooSra4auBalrv8S7PxQEAF/wa+iQjeHRFyk2 io0H/W0C8HEBXvQihAo1VXxHZMBQxNzD5g5aJ9vkq8sHOJoBkhsH1jBLZLb6/DyKJIlF XIClWATMjFVHWshSDNbOqTvDSZ8G8zYVe8HJo4Br23BoTpFimzJgd+JeXby7g11Y8bfG 1Mgc5hl7qorGlhVBvGc8/rF9QlLa0NKyQw6zOMtXNhQa0tFDZVVH0N3JcA5PjQX8tORT rM1bH1khs4Cs1DcF5HN5C1z37hVrk3mgYgOOQToNsw4jbE0EcRUoWHY3PS92NUubH0GS 4/pw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53047PgLtv/Q/yR8jsFyRV5pkzZop/37DTJpOF7Dp9Lu879nyhxe Yh5ZcbYNXcLwdfMAswYLCIeFfn3P2+SEgl/jqVamyw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwYuWtKMMoOSbhLVY4NANWMQ4zSdISaSZGIFsbpLk9pJPFz38B7OaeWcRT03VsNlCOL5lqhQqj4MMfydQtVKJc= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:458d:: with SMTP id x13mr5996587qvu.62.1617589199428; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 19:19:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210401145025.GA1202@naleco.com> <20210404052939.xivuinlcugqb5zde@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 20:19:48 -0600 Message-ID: To: John Cowan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009ff17505bf305563" Subject: Re: [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000009ff17505bf305563 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 6:37 PM John Cowan wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 2:23 PM Clem Cole wrote: > > >> An issue during the time you are discussing, USENIX had evolved into "two >> foci" between the practitioners (which included both FOSS community and >> LISA types) and the more academic-oriented folks looking for respected >> places to publish papers/develop their tenure files. >> > > I think this is a long and accelerating trend, and not just at > conferences. There simply are no venues for "engineering" papers or > presentations any more, which doesn't bother me directly, but bothers me > very much indirectly, because I love engineering papers and have to read > academic papers, ummm, very selectively. (In particular, anything labeled > "formal semantics" just gets skipped.) > It's the main reason I've not had a USENIX paper published in about 15 years... The other issue that I've run into is that the reviewers of the papers often times don't understand the systems they are commenting on, so often I got comments that made no sense at all... :(. Warner > > > John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org > And it was said that ever after, if any man looked in that Stone, > unless he had a great strength of will to turn it to other purpose, > he saw only two aged hands withering in flame. --"The Pyre of Denethor" > > --0000000000009ff17505bf305563 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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An issu= e during the time you are discussing, USENIX had evolved into "two foc= i" between the practitioners (which included both FOSS community and L= ISA types) and the more academic-oriented folks looking for respected place= s to publish papers/develop their tenure files.

I think this is a long and accelerating trend, a= nd not just at conferences.=C2=A0 There simply are no venues for "engi= neering" papers or presentations any more, which doesn't bother me= directly, but bothers me very much indirectly, because I love engineering= =C2=A0papers and have to read academic papers, ummm, very selectively.=C2= =A0 (In particular, anything labeled "formal semantics" just gets= skipped.)

It's the m= ain reason I've not had a USENIX paper published in about 15 years...

The other issue that I've run into is that the = reviewers of the papers often times don't understand the systems they a= re commenting on, so often I got comments that made no sense at all... :(.<= /div>


Warner
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John Cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0http= ://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0cowan@ccil.org
And it was said th= at ever after, if any man looked in that Stone,
unless he had a great st= rength of will to turn it to other purpose,
he saw only two aged hands w= ithering in flame. =C2=A0 --"The Pyre of Denethor"
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