From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22415 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2022 17:14:13 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Nov 2022 17:14:13 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05CD41E0A; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 03:14:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-f43.google.com (mail-ed1-f43.google.com [209.85.208.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B20A41E07 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 03:14:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-f43.google.com with SMTP id e13so2692776edj.7 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:14:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=z0xJT+CDj7vlp9Hw2rGECTCO5U7NDjCjKum66A5SM6Q=; b=CgAhkjHPVDXvhl6P7+nS4sy9TTL5RSOeXlG3kVkh+qld/WGD9mfw65bi74FGIsXGNT tA8BY2bqf7ME8YQkY1uCp+W6Mkf7plv/9jm1L1Ct+rpULvszd9JBLaEIZOHWWYSim/35 gijlLJ7iFzp139S+rW4xl8plumkPToK4wJuzCTuX5jJo5YAcSPulZaF5jXmA1mty0lgL +KdXmqdgKHEjAGuVaco99i0n5MMLY6iQT+cJIKEl+wOP6aWB4lQINrCgZZE9XCQacPTx SDrJWaXrpbG+5UNm8MxRQrSMTK34cYTgwi5g0IW2FgiDA7Az1WiEde3PcsB/1MmhxFqW KrgQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=z0xJT+CDj7vlp9Hw2rGECTCO5U7NDjCjKum66A5SM6Q=; b=COHA4nI5urwvcY6cjZSW9LMO2Jvobo9slmOacl7ytqq0pxaKe5KzVeH45ARt3alhUo IcrV5ghvg0DpMuMFRtP1/Qi3C3Gn4J72OkcLZbTT7f9qQl/UaGlMowQazs4If+6yDXur c4wuZFJ49kM9WGhsAA0IbZ1sZAjezvSRMt4uh4E+bnNDsSiyD7e17Z2Lw5xFPHCK/DLk aeHyKQLU83K6zfe/Wve+FGwSshA0H7CEbKFROT8ZCQ3O0mKsW7Kcx5QOYBtA+9G1SCmk u2D3uxjq+pVQ5wVx/lyXNnLp1jU6YNJOkSDCKdaZxSBnenwnPMQ6e9ahJuNpUivGvhmC XVeA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pkWOHfTMMzdEeTQUF0nOjzh/wcIxyQynJXf39EhNpxXWgXnVMQl 4IJT/7KToO4G0TZ4a59uLOogwwVIbSYrj1hN3NUOdA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf6pKG/O1v2ZYcfZpkTx++U+lMkiFMi+oc63RshJRW0l9M2tCm8IeYnakAaW/ejseAZvpiKVz96HQqAZ3P/Q0KI= X-Received: by 2002:a50:fa87:0:b0:467:4a80:719b with SMTP id w7-20020a50fa87000000b004674a80719bmr6136301edr.174.1668273185755; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:13:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202211121652.2ACGq6Pf015000@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:12:54 -0700 Message-ID: To: Miod Vallat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a02d8805ed491ec6" Message-ID-Hash: CIAFINJOFCKLFZOTZ57U27Z2ABOBOZMG X-Message-ID-Hash: CIAFINJOFCKLFZOTZ57U27Z2ABOBOZMG X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: DG UNIX History List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000a02d8805ed491ec6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 10:10 AM Miod Vallat wrote: > > There was a guy who worked at DG and contributed a lot of the Motorola > > 88000 code to GCC whose name I don't remember, although I met him > > at a USENIX. If someone else remembers who this is, maybe he can > > be tracked down for more info. > > I suppose you're referring to Tom Wood here? > > > P.S. For the youngsters here who've never heard of it, I highly > > recommend Tracy Kidder's "The Soul of a New Machine" about the > > development of the Eclipse. ( > https://www.amazon.com/Soul-New-Machine-Tracy-Kidder/dp/0316491977/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=the+soul+of+a+new+machine+by+tracy+kidder&qid=1668271720&sprefix=the+soul+of+a+new%2Caps%2C233&sr=8-1 > ). > > > > It was originally written in 1982 - 40 years ago! > > Seconded - definitely a must read; even if technology has evolved a lot > since then, management and human factors have not. > Bring them in, burn them out, sweat every hour out of them... call it excellence. Bah Warner > --000000000000a02d8805ed491ec6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 10:10 AM Miod Vallat <miod@online.fr> wrote:
> There was a guy who worked at DG and contributed= a lot of the Motorola
> 88000 code to GCC whose name I don't remember, although I met him<= br> > at a USENIX.=C2=A0 If someone else remembers who this is, maybe he can=
> be tracked down for more info.

I suppose you're referring to Tom Wood here?

> P.S. For the youngsters here who've never heard of it, I highly > recommend Tracy Kidder's "The Soul of a New Machine" abo= ut the
> development of the Eclipse. (https://www.amazon.com/Soul-New-Machine-Tracy-Kidder/dp/0316491977/ref= =3Dsr_1_1?keywords=3Dthe+soul+of+a+new+machine+by+tracy+kidder&qid=3D16= 68271720&sprefix=3Dthe+soul+of+a+new%2Caps%2C233&sr=3D8-1).
>
> It was originally written in 1982 - 40 years ago!

Seconded - definitely a must read; even if technology has evolved a lot
since then, management and human factors have not.

Bring them in, burn them = out, sweat every hour out of them... call it excellence. Bah

Warner=C2=A0
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