From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10069 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2022 22:26:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Sep 2022 22:26:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256DB40A21; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:25:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f45.google.com (mail-vs1-f45.google.com [209.85.217.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC0C940A11 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 08:25:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f45.google.com with SMTP id k2so8349108vsk.8 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:25:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=9YPW/se7YMY9VvSmDr1qKWz8RXY8I9wX5Zvx8blT1lI=; b=jFNlJ/RP3Fbz4Ebr+05JJxj/PLvG8UD+wZYJdTuspf3rlOPmG64FTxqtIPOahujuaC VEJKYyB8mkGqZ9NUSa3pfBIdAnuwrCc6BtZ8WpcqroIvcM/akhjEQq769OXGVsjcFBcA yNOGPfTJfMGORqKiMR0lqBNMJXfu2kV5172WUXITpcGMc15ZqngFIjyDA4xsx2U/y5Ik rsqACYfnr9QmmkKSLr5cHeIo4nk7qBBi9BehaaJUyum/lW/1QotJei4bCme3tJZhqVsm 7QFYGdwdd5R8tUFLigpWroTiT8+soQAet6JIKQUWZthaOIw/XtlWGNCbqkw4QT40dQxQ lJoA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=9YPW/se7YMY9VvSmDr1qKWz8RXY8I9wX5Zvx8blT1lI=; b=2nJGSnP/Li3jstXblHYvElGO04aZPn3lFo5I6eoFfed1P2Lb+jbCQ9RBpfJb9bvB15 9XJK3YGZ7A+lOxTbt0A4GFUl9w8UIEuuy32nISPfYK+1EEUz4HtakqbLDO/4fobETMum H9qOIt8IVWYwypCR2M4pFUXbOnjQmpWVuuogMsvQQOu0C8MyT/bWmCf4tvzfxseykoDE CeSkS8rbiDnZCeCFXWjGkn1Hvs9Sc66G/v+iAMpTxsL72KT9LEMD/0uIq59oAyalvfAL 2bsGZB8cbMSYIKGTtoxA6J3GU3DSXnl7YCG6Ej/Z7uO/A+7wfLW4BczVmU0PvBILTOsI fmgA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0NLMFVLsHM0N2mfGbdMBmHsCiNI8dMrhnTPxDwXtFsig0zZ+ZD q9JsOixfd0iFsg4ah8tHn6SUT4kUVAHC/zdMZTbA0BZVd50= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM57wXmtzYCBtO9HmaUBRNMb2otugMkTW70QEigoNuuIXKgjia7O6PRWkbiWbYOhrlHZ6z++KOCyQJK0lnh6yA8= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ac45:0:b0:388:a1ff:7e89 with SMTP id n5-20020a67ac45000000b00388a1ff7e89mr223044vsh.42.1663799076717; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:24:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202209212149.28LLnV1J032395@ultimate.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:24:25 -0600 Message-ID: To: Rich Salz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f219e305e93768e7" Message-ID-Hash: TXVEZSHZBW5UVLYK3MJRKNFHDJTOPLVF X-Message-ID-Hash: TXVEZSHZBW5UVLYK3MJRKNFHDJTOPLVF X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early BSD license thread List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000f219e305e93768e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 4:09 PM Rich Salz wrote: > Recall also that the AT&T code was protected by "trade secret" claims, so > that and the Berne convention meant a copyright on each file wasn't needed. > As the copyright moved to being used as a license, doing so became more > important. > Indeed. The lack of copyright notices prior to Berne was also a big problem for enforcing copyright claims, which is why most companies relied on trade secrets prior to the mid 80s. It's a big reason, I think, the settlement punted on trade secret protections, but made a big deal about respecting each other's copyrights (despite preliminary rulings casting doubt in that area). Warner --000000000000f219e305e93768e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 4:09 PM Rich = Salz <rich.salz@gmail.com>= wrote:
Recall also that the AT&T code was protected by "tra= de secret" claims, so that and the Berne convention meant a copyright = on each file wasn't needed. As the copyright moved to being used as a l= icense, doing so became more important.

Indeed. The lack of copyright notices prior to Berne=C2=A0was=C2= =A0also a big problem for enforcing=C2=A0copyright claims, which=C2=A0is wh= y most companies relied on trade secrets prior to the mid 80s. It's a b= ig reason, I think, the settlement punted on trade secret protections, but = made a big deal about respecting each other's copyrights (despite preli= minary rulings casting doubt in that area).

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