From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14596 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2022 17:03:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Jul 2022 17:03:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9371A40770; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 03:03:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f49.google.com (mail-vs1-f49.google.com [209.85.217.49]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F12A34076F for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 03:03:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f49.google.com with SMTP id t127so6869504vsb.8 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:03:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BTud97GyUaXRX1pQesiy+N/sxSt7+HBpwFzLNiP5rdA=; b=Bh6bWO/8oEKjiONWw5HdOKrK1fLgb7Ec0NF19bO9RpLjCfOAUPR5eR8UjhygFXyPWC 6HI5hdgPuXzEn+t3rhR7nVzujDxcqZzRwVqGhcAvR2aDNYwdHjHtRCkCdWdwhHuI+G6m JQfOhRu7bVYXiwASCZy5H4R6k1snLI/3Ca9WHVsnzis29MMjpcbsdXHc8vQlEpHFysGj qbDZfdF9/1Ji96DRRSgtnHg5mIt7wH5pzFOdLrlu+klGP7UvTi+uLbWrSh4NANb2tkV6 n8bOvgLSz2k5g2Z3Id7qPRgLWbfxaRTa2ebUvJ8F9UwngTjfCCSdyr3+c7du+mAcPBUh PX+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BTud97GyUaXRX1pQesiy+N/sxSt7+HBpwFzLNiP5rdA=; b=nuIKPctjt0kjIgF5coWSeA8QvqyXj8idqFdohPmAruvnrrgIpeEsazVt7aS1/HOl1/ PwzRg9Z4Ut5MoELdMrlEM4py1pUoG6dOxG0c3Y39JmsMN77wR4P/EZ59hGgJftrngsFz 0g3EHGRdoUGZNiediMEKE4NQfzpH2WCOwVkrlnuvqJ6v8PxMNoCKLwQIvOxZn17x3nJZ UeY/ojbKZ7tMVAM5DK/UMwZscKo6k5GtmZsQji0jLdgpYvkXVTN8MkI2OUxXPyQCcudP klaQ9DSElQN5cnrEIdkC6/qGPUSMxZ8UHYrd4IueoBGwwD64JWlgancODybrv4oGq45F awZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora9k2OJ4N5ICK+7RpZq6Nk4WkurmrEEy6p1o81Pc+Aap7l03UZze vbdUcogYqePOpSQXymYVsgyuL3t5L9bKTaOuW3HpYewvLeE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1upnUuwzEDUNg/e9s/FsrmrDQOdKGEQ58vZUyw7K4nrI+h/ytqICWSy/sy7JY17V1ksrh/B6MlXgvwfR9DpG0c= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e9cf:0:b0:357:6d9e:d2fb with SMTP id q15-20020a67e9cf000000b003576d9ed2fbmr6905625vso.41.1657990937724; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:02:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220716155121.4873618C087@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20220716155121.4873618C087@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:02:06 -0600 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e260c605e3ef181b" Message-ID-Hash: PM2R6PNESCNEFQAERQHBQTLHJC4ARAMP X-Message-ID-Hash: PM2R6PNESCNEFQAERQHBQTLHJC4ARAMP X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Unix V8 Chaosnet, any takers? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000e260c605e3ef181b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 9:51 AM Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Warner Losh > > > V7 could mean a modification of net unix > > What's "net unix" anyway? I know of the Net releases from CSRG, but this > much precedes that. > I'm referring to the University of Illinois distribution that's in TUHS as Distributions/Early_Networking/NOSC. Steve Holmgren led the effort, and it was quite popular. It was V6 based (it came out in late V5 time frame, just before V6 was released and quickly updated, the version we have appears to be based on a pure V6 release). I have seen references to it in the ARPAnet census documents running on both V6 and V7 (though mostly they were silent about which version). It was NCP, not TCP/IP. I thought this was the normal nomenclature of the time, but I may be mistaken. > What did people with PDP-11 V7 who wanted TCP/IP do, anyway? > We also have BBN's stack as well in Distributions/Early_Networking/BBN. It appears to be for an 11/40, 11/45 or 11/70, though that's based purely on different files having '70', '45' and '40' in their name. These are also based on V6 (at least the code we have has a V6 layout and the few files I diff'd to V6 were pretty close). There's also an early VAX version in that directory as well. One could adapt either of these to V7, and I seem to recall seeing references to people that did that in the stuff I read for some of my early Unix talks, but I can't seem to find it right now. Warner --000000000000e260c605e3ef181b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 9:51 AM Noel = Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.= edu> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > From: Warner Losh

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > V7 could mean a modification of net unix

What's "net unix" anyway? I know of the Net releases from CSR= G, but this
much precedes that.

I'm referring t= o the University of Illinois distribution that's in TUHS as Distributio= ns/Early_Networking/NOSC.
Steve Holmgren led the effort, and it w= as quite popular. It was V6 based (it came out in late V5 time frame,
=
just before V6 was released and quickly updated, the version we have a= ppears to be based on a pure V6
release). I have seen references = to it in the ARPAnet census documents running on both V6 and V7 (though
mostly they were silent about which version). It was NCP, not TCP/IP= . I thought this was the normal nomenclature
of the time, but I m= ay be mistaken.
=C2=A0
What did people with PDP-11 V7 who wanted TCP/IP do, anyway?

We also have BBN's stack as well in Distributions= /Early_Networking/BBN. It appears to be for an 11/40, 11/45
or 11= /70, though that's based purely on different files having '70',= '45' and '40' in their name. These are also based
on V6 (at least the code we have has a V6 layout and the few files I = diff'd to V6 were pretty close). There's also an
early VA= X version in that directory as well.

One could ada= pt either of these to V7, and I seem to recall seeing references to people = that did that in the stuff
I read for some of my early Unix talks= , but I can't seem to find it right now.

Warne= r

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