From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id af163688 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 15:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9748E9B9DC; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:26:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BDB947B9; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:26:21 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="SQtN0eKJ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A2341947B9; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:26:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f182.google.com (mail-qt1-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C21693F38 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 01:26:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f182.google.com with SMTP id r5so7061540qtd.0 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 08:26:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=iSg2ZrAekxcNHhctSirQ7OoVjwJPGJZbr8OWAS6TMwc=; b=SQtN0eKJYIUBIshTvcSqnczngJ8DvNbrAcDSCCKKRN/IrYfACFGVtM+2HUE4oAn8iz a4FlrIN+b1RhY3xw4fOxd7tFzCtzBTRVVZ4beqyQF1QK02tJ+Bpfki0CvRbGO/kFeZnu rwXe0EOPN4r+HIm6cFgFBFdnmQobH3O1il6p1nmhGy6THtcq4TpVfH3lHqPRCEBySLVe oBYnB+N1FwkKrui5pQuPE4fW0I/lHBECLxnsEKtiKzC0TyQ3em7AcMMtXicB4b8MVdbl CRx/qA60Jcjptg5YXPrErUFSis3/MfJSlnINd9Jkas36Xr4ZWyWswIAJ9Yt4zQoDThqt +gOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iSg2ZrAekxcNHhctSirQ7OoVjwJPGJZbr8OWAS6TMwc=; b=Ny/yqMcM94h0JrLY+LG1FvOwSCt2zegxQiIS5nYae/SEnFbEn4hPTKqtp9Kro5yPST dFy7iv42mp5L0sMEUCC1TJoqygBwHBw1BoakCug6hjG+EF6fy/VNbK/8sR0f2OT00NGm 7RqmCBcwCY723dpjpGmmWzjm42f+SXk0gc8dUuGhU0XL9tNyi40XYkv3BEqCAtDXGcie zBEqIbYyHwDy0m3dN2HOLcKw5afORNghCjeAub/2CBsgMLzCk3D0JsHjaDajcTozDDTf cQ/H3i2cyBP5+eYsiMDRsIYm7WMsHSzhVy9+AMcCsAHdMjCuKJzEKPe0ogjIzckkLWqJ 4UYA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWC9LQs6LSoHV3Qn7jH6b8B2ypdKue84g8PUKhpNMnuGZ/xZz4r w/s3GXrr0H/K0RCPDn8MwsupF0rh9Y/gqKGambSegjCrbVs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwbiqe1nTSsVFtiYs+e7VU/5ugMR5Lf7aGeUPTysRgeJGTxK+U9rITzBNUNCEGaWb+YuelR1wDds1tz2o43Y+g= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:44c9:: with SMTP id b9mr9338618qto.175.1569425178919; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 08:26:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49C268A5-42E6-41E2-95F9-0A8043DFC9F3@alchemistowl.org> <65187b33-08f1-88ca-5729-eb40cdb5ced7@neophilic.com> <34674811-F25A-4CE8-9A54-249930AC7916@alchemistowl.org> In-Reply-To: <34674811-F25A-4CE8-9A54-249930AC7916@alchemistowl.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 09:26:07 -0600 Message-ID: To: Arrigo Triulzi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004a90260593624639" Subject: Re: [TUHS] congratulations to Warner on a great talk X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Historic Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000004a90260593624639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:17 AM Arrigo Triulzi wrote: > On 25 Sep 2019, at 17:09, Warner Losh wrote: > > Slides have been published, though maybe not through the EuroBSDCon > site. I wasn't aware that I could publish them there. > > I was under the mistaken impression that recordings of the talks would be > made available on the site - I generally find it rather useful when > conferences have slides, papers and recordings available on the web pages > of past conferences, e.g. Usenix. > I think that links to the talks will be there, but they will be uploaded to youtube. Most conferences give some instructions to speakers for uploading talk related materials, but I've not seen anything from EuroBSDcon. Most likely it is in a spam folder :( > > > https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/177KxOif5oHARyIdZHDq-OO67_GVtMkzIA= lDX-cHxgb4/edit?usp=3Dsharing > > Ah, that=E2=80=99s the final version of what we got a preview of? > Yes. > > I'm told it will be a small number of weeks before the bsdtv folks that > taped everything can edit the talks down from the raw footage and post th= em > to youtube. They have the raw livestream, but a small number of tweaks ne= ed > to be made to each talk. > > Right, that makes sense. I would like to see the =E2=80=9Ccolour=E2=80=9D= which goes with > the slides, i.e. all that isn=E2=80=99t written down.. > I hope it will be there as well. I quite enjoyed giving the talk, though the audience was small. > > I'll be writing a followup paper, as well as an article for the FreeBSD > Journal. There's a number of small technical errors in the talk owing to > two factors: (1) I couldn't see my speaker notes during the talk so I thi= nk > I misspoke or neglected to include a clarifying sentence or two that I'd > planned and (2) I found more original material that helped to clarify > timelines (eg: PWB 1.0 was distributed outside of bell labs: it was V6 + > the "50 changes" based, but still retained features like the V6 TTY drive= r. > This was in 1978, about a year before V7 was released. PWB 2.0 was fully = V7 > based and included updates to the tools PWB added, exact details TBD). I > did talk a little about the ambiguity between UNIX/TS and PWB/UNIX 3.0 in > the talk, but the details of that need to be ironed out a bit. I hope to = go > through more original sources to figure all that out as different people > remember things slightly differently, and sometimes contemporary > documentation or scholarly papers contradicts the remembrance so I need t= o > sort that out better, as well as where I can run diffs between supposed > sources of things to find as much of the truth around this that I can. > > That is wonderful! I have been desperately trying to find the Unix tapes > which made it to the University of Milan =E2=80=9CCybernetics=E2=80=9D de= partment back in > the 70s but have failed miserably. Most of the people who were there at t= he > time are sadly no longer with us and my dad can=E2=80=99t remember who ha= d them. > All that I have left is the photocopied Unix manual with the cover printe= d > by the department in Italian, an nth copy Lions and then other bits and > pieces. All the rest is gone forever (or, more likely, in some Italian > state warehouse since the bureaucracy necessary to throw anything away, o= r > donate it, was so daunting it was just stuck somewhere). Unfortunately > there were three physical moves of the department so chances are the > cellars were cleaned out by workers. > I would love to find that as well... At least one person came up to me after the talk and told me about a set of Onyx Z8000 System III manuals he had that we're making arrangements to find a good home (like maybe mine). Future versions of this talk will likely include a plea for people to contact me with historic artifacts so I might be able to copy them... Warner > Thank you again for the talk! > > Arrigo > > --0000000000004a90260593624639 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 9:17 AM Arrig= o Triulzi <arrigo@alchemistow= l.org> wrote:
On 25 Sep 2019, at 17:09, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
> Slides have been published, though maybe not through the EuroBSDCon si= te. I wasn't aware that I could publish them there.

I was under the mistaken impression that recordings of the talks would be m= ade available on the site - I generally find it rather useful when conferen= ces have slides, papers and recordings available on the web pages of past c= onferences, e.g. Usenix.

I think that l= inks to the talks will be there, but they will be uploaded to youtube. Most= conferences give some instructions to speakers for uploading talk related = materials, but I've not seen anything from EuroBSDcon. Most likely it i= s in a spam folder :(
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> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/177KxOif5oHARyIdZHDq-OO67_GVt= MkzIAlDX-cHxgb4/edit?usp=3Dsharing

Ah, that=E2=80=99s the final version of what we got a preview of?

Yes.
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> I'm told it will be a small number of weeks before the bsdtv folks= that taped everything can edit the talks down from the raw footage and pos= t them to youtube. They have the raw livestream, but a small number of twea= ks need to be made to each talk.

Right, that makes sense. I would like to see the =E2=80=9Ccolour=E2=80=9D w= hich goes with the slides, i.e. all that isn=E2=80=99t written down..

I hope it will be there as well. I quite enj= oyed giving the talk, though the audience was small.=C2=A0
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> I'll be writing a followup paper, as well as an article for the Fr= eeBSD Journal. There's a number of small technical errors in the talk o= wing to two factors: (1) I couldn't see my speaker notes during the tal= k so I think I misspoke or neglected to include a clarifying sentence or tw= o that I'd planned and (2) I found more original material that helped t= o clarify timelines (eg: PWB 1.0 was distributed outside of bell labs: it w= as V6 + the "50 changes" based, but still retained features like = the V6 TTY driver. This was in 1978, about a year before V7 was released. P= WB 2.0 was fully V7 based and included updates to the tools PWB added, exac= t details TBD). I did talk a little about the ambiguity between UNIX/TS and= PWB/UNIX 3.0 in the talk, but the details of that need to be ironed out a = bit. I hope to go through more original sources to figure all that out as d= ifferent people remember things slightly differently, and sometimes contemp= orary documentation or scholarly papers contradicts the remembrance so I ne= ed to sort that out better, as well as where I can run diffs between suppos= ed sources of things to find as much of the truth around this that I can.
That is wonderful! I have been desperately trying to find the Unix tapes wh= ich made it to the University of Milan =E2=80=9CCybernetics=E2=80=9D depart= ment back in the 70s but have failed miserably. Most of the people who were= there at the time are sadly no longer with us and my dad can=E2=80=99t rem= ember who had them. All that I have left is the photocopied Unix manual wit= h the cover printed by the department in Italian, an nth copy Lions and the= n other bits and pieces. All the rest is gone forever (or, more likely, in = some Italian state warehouse since the bureaucracy necessary to throw anyth= ing away, or donate it, was so daunting it was just stuck somewhere). Unfor= tunately there were three physical moves of the department so chances are t= he cellars were cleaned out by workers.

I would love to find that as well... At least one person came up to me aft= er the talk and told me about a set of Onyx Z8000 System III manuals he had= that we're making arrangements to find a good home (like maybe mine). = Future versions of this talk will likely include a plea for people to conta= ct me with historic artifacts so I might be able to copy them...
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Warner
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Thank you again for the talk!

Arrigo

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