On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 4:19 PM Larry McVoy <
lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 10:11:19AM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> > I remember when Linux was this bad in the .90ish releases. A long
> > time ago. Now their install is painless, it's every bit as good as
> > Windows and maybe better.
>
> FWIW, I find Microsoft "Windows" installation terminally confusing
> (that's what you were talking about, right?). And I've run into
> serious problems with various Linux installations too. That doesn't
> make the FreeBSD tools better, but maybe it relativizes it.
Um, my mother could install any Linux system today and 10-20 years ago.
There is not the slightest chance that she could install FreeBSD.
I find that hard to believe. The defaults just work on the vast majority of systems, even if the interface is text-based and not a fancy GUI...
> The FreeBSD installer *does* install X if you select it.
Linux installers start in X. No "select it" required.
Yea. Once upon a time, this was super dangerous. These days it's kinda required.
> > FreeBSD is stuck in the 1990's in terms of user interface.
>
> You're still talking about the installer, aren't you?
Yup. If FreeBSD wants anyone to use it, fix that installer. 99.99%
of people would give up after seeing that, you'd never get them to
userland.
No argument there... Part of the problem is that, up until relatively lately, the whole X experience sucked really badly on FreeBSD. Now that it doesn't suck, it's time for a re-evaluation...
> > They've done some good stuff in the kernel but it's not an end user
> > system,
>
> There I have to agree with you. A little TLC would go a long way.
> But I hope that you're not advocating the "change your GUI with your
> underwear" attitude that Microsoft, Apple and many Linux distros
> have. One of the reasons I don't use Linux is because every time I
> try, the interface has changed.
Try xubuntu, that's what I use. Pretty light weight UI but all the
parts are there and it doesn't change much.
But yet it's not stuck?
Warner