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Like the C language, it was great for its time. Not so much anymore. On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 9:24=E2=80=AFAM Peter Weinberger (=E6=B8=A9=E5=8D= =9A=E6=A0=BC) via TUHS < tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: > It was a research proof-of-princple. (i.e.. partly principled and > partly really hacky. My list of its issues was pretty long.) > > (If A mounted B's file system somewhere, and B mounted A's, then the > directory tree was infinite. That's mathematics, not a bug.) > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 11:56=E2=80=AFAM Larry McVoy wrote= : > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 10:18:34AM -0400, Dan Cross wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 10:00???AM Douglas McIlroy > > > wrote: > > > > I was always sorry that Peter Weinberger's RFS never made it outsid= e > > > > Bell Labs. It allowed networking between separately administered > > > > systems by mapping UIDs. > > > > > > I believe it did? If I recall correctly, it was available with Syste= m > > > V, though perhaps I am misremembering. > > > > Sunos had it, my office mate ported it. I was unimpressed, it worked > well > > between the same archs but was riddled with byte order problems and > > ioctl calls that were not portable. > --000000000000ab9c58063c41da85 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
BTW, my own opinions abut NFS can be seen in my "NFS = Must Die!" talk here:=C2=A0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D= ZVF_djcccKc&ab_channel=3DTomLyon

Not that NFS *w= as* bad - but it *is* bad (for non-casual use).
Like the C langua= ge, it was great for its time.=C2=A0 Not so much anymore.



On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 9:24=E2=80= =AFAM Peter Weinberger (=E6=B8=A9=E5=8D=9A=E6=A0=BC) via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
It was a research proof-of-princple.= (i.e.. partly principled and
partly really hacky. My list of its issues was pretty long.)

(If A mounted B's file system somewhere, and B mounted A's, then th= e
directory tree was infinite. That's mathematics, not a bug.)

On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 11:56=E2=80=AFAM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 10:18:34AM -0400, Dan Cross wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 10:00???AM Douglas McIlroy
> > <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> > > I was always sorry that Peter Weinberger's RFS never mad= e it outside
> > > Bell Labs. It allowed networking between separately administ= ered
> > > systems by mapping UIDs.
> >
> > I believe it did?=C2=A0 If I recall correctly, it was available w= ith System
> > V, though perhaps I am misremembering.
>
> Sunos had it, my office mate ported it.=C2=A0 I was unimpressed, it wo= rked well
> between the same archs but was riddled with byte order problems and > ioctl calls that were not portable.
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