From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,MALFORMED_FREEMAIL,MISSING_HEADERS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826B624076 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2024 17:13:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D2A428DB; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 02:13:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com (mail-wm1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B305428DA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 02:13:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-412f55695d1so9622275e9.0 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 08:13:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709827984; x=1710432784; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wpp8qteXzy0nFxsqGRHrwwiF5JARERXHvnrppO9QrfM=; b=eTu6lyXuffAS/TbiC2GdGG7wiGcIX3iUAXt/09G+KaM+CUcplaowTml6MZA0Ipl5W7 R1bM+weJ0ubzLs65uGzRyeGgPQrMG14WRlxzEYf3q2GNC/pr9iPUZwqX2gAwlLHvLyM7 pyLrxhBQ5Soik/YJXAakGuTqS6EQAcdLv7XZxUXxYNri2Xi7+2HGQxJLuxPT/NzSSiKz C/xOCWTB4SRw8b0IgAM0EE/eWc84ntNJf0uBGfbM5SNrKbtRh1Pl7rbI78S4zLv9Sr+o G7hVqF/Rhhl/ChmK+8ZxlbB0M+80fBNN1GjnAwYQmuOUJf3GQ27S5z3iBOlEAiHgrmcr 8VsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709827984; x=1710432784; h=cc:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wpp8qteXzy0nFxsqGRHrwwiF5JARERXHvnrppO9QrfM=; b=M1Bjz2JDSbgPj2djSRUeyuPzylops3baFdOlkaO9o5Sf2kN2qXn/3NVHiQTLW4qwQT tBlMrtKd2AfzUy0DCYeAspAlkQaa/TbgB4O7xzSbJot79GbgcoJ9q2yrQ3nBZR14EitZ Xats5yVXBUD437hxzbDARfTzUbHy0Hv1V4Lu8Ljed45GHnA0r3ombYkLBzwmX1miWu8s 1zr2pcsx9SHL72zAJ4MU8atXHnSWXlFFA/NuEJlklibSfgYb4JMtefo4RCZfdHRBt/m8 mBx31UGzwEIcHYsNBcqrYHIAxADui++6rVWJQDyI1nzSJis/4pwsp22zhoRQ68HUCscJ AGbg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzHQ+f6efT7INbSqcMWxGQ/hBM8X4QDxPFd9/wWSaKnUwHd6mXV cWk91wtU6xoqJvTMIElvjBeFxJL244OyyjXSzPf3TTk8beGqFWyNPoCiPl7wD9nR8+4wMj73Clw ahzaDsqK+0yz44ywhVOqllhUj/zqtEVc46g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEcHzdHFpSBfaUpSZf29nDi0bZsWSUBSRrCm38ckxxxRKZ0E9AdLt4PTfnpa5BWKhPEYciH1Ft+VRi8iAMtAUw= X-Received: by 2002:adf:fb90:0:b0:33d:30a4:d744 with SMTP id a16-20020adffb90000000b0033d30a4d744mr11572497wrr.30.1709827984260; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 08:13:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9eb334edeb7568193000f8755704af7799169b17.camel@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Marc Rochkind Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 09:12:52 -0700 Message-ID: Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a107000613145986" Message-ID-Hash: CZPR63HXWD5LNLKLWZYNDCVRXJDIGJRH X-Message-ID-Hash: CZPR63HXWD5LNLKLWZYNDCVRXJDIGJRH X-MailFrom: mrochkind@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: What do you currently use for your primary OS at home? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000a107000613145986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To my way of thinking, the OS itself matters only if you're developing or supporting the OS, or doing development for that OS. Otherwise, the overwhelming criteria are what applications are available. I use Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop for my photography, and those are available only for MacOS and Windows. Because of very bad experiences with Apple as a developer of apps for the iPhone, I don't like anything Apple, so I use Windows for my desktop and laptop, and an Android phone. I often hear that there are Open Source equivalents for Lightroom and Photoshop, but the people saying that aren't serious photographers. If you don't require any particular applications, then, as I said, the OS doesn't matter, so Linux and FreeBSD are fine choices. I've long been impressed with how usable distros like Ubuntu have become over the years. On rare occasions, I need to run a UNIX/Linux program, and for that I used to use the MacOS command line back when I used a Mac, and now use Windows System for Linux, which runs Ubuntu. (Like everything else posted here, these are my opinions, likely not anyone else's.) Marc Rochkind On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 8:52=E2=80=AFAM Clem Cole wrote: > Like Marc Donner, my primary system, UNIX or otherwise, in which I'm > typing this message, is a current late model MacPro (arm/Sonoma) - which = I > switched to Apple's UNIX flavor about 20+ years ago and have yet to look > back. That said, I have almost every OS that runs on x86 from different > Linux flavors and BSDs, plus lots of different I/O controllers for > conversion in my basement. Further, I also have a number of historical > (non-Intel or Arm-based) computers on my different ethernets. FWIW: I > also have a ton of SCSI equipment that's either on a FreeBSD Box (most > often), or I have a RATOC SCSI to USB2 controller cable that 'just works' > on my Mac and/or any x86 laptop I have around. It is known to talk to th= e > disks as well as recently discussed Archive Viper QIC drives. That said, > I've never tried the USB to SCSI cable with a Linux -- only MacOS and > Winders (I never needed to use it with anything else). Also, I have nev= er > tried that interface with 9-track, which is on the FreeBSD systems SCSI > chain driven by an on-motherboard Adaptec PCI to SCSI. The only real issu= e > I have had trying to use SCSI peripherals with MacOS is that traditional > BSD is not included in the last N versions of the Apple > developers tool kit, making a compilation of old tape-based C code a PITA= . > Still, if you install the controller and can manage to rebuild -- it all > seems to work fine. > > Clem > =E1=90=A7 > =E1=90=A7 > =E1=90=A7 > --=20 *My new email address is mrochkind@gmail.com * --000000000000a107000613145986 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To my way of thinking, the OS itself matters only if you&#= 39;re developing or supporting the OS, or doing development for that OS. Ot= herwise, the overwhelming criteria are what applications are available. I u= se Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop for my photography, and those are availabl= e only for MacOS and Windows. Because of very bad experiences with Apple as= a developer of apps for the iPhone, I don't like anything Apple, so I = use Windows for my desktop and laptop, and an Android phone.

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I often hear that there are Open Source equivalents for Lightroom and = Photoshop, but the people saying that aren't serious photographers.

If you don't require any particular applications,= then, as I said, the OS doesn't matter, so Linux and FreeBSD=C2=A0 are= fine choices. I've long been impressed with how usable distros like Ub= untu have become over the years.

On rare occasions= , I need to run a UNIX/Linux program, and for that I used to use the MacOS = command line back when I used a Mac, and now use Windows System for Linux, = which runs Ubuntu.

(Like everything else posted he= re, these are my opinions, likely not anyone else's.)

Marc Rochkind

On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 8:52=E2=80=AFAM Clem Cole= <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
Like= Marc Donner, my primary system, UNIX or otherwise, in which I'm typing= this message, is a current late model MacPro (arm/Sonoma) - which I switch= ed to Apple's UNIX flavor about 20+ years ago and have yet to look back= . That said, I have almost every OS that runs on x86 from different Linux f= lavors and BSDs, plus lots of different I/O controllers for conversion in m= y=C2=A0basement.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Further, I also have a number of historical (n= on-Intel or Arm-based) computers on my different ethernets.=C2=A0 =C2=A0FWI= W: I also have a ton of SCSI equipment that's either=C2=A0on a FreeBSD = Box (most often), or I have a RATOC SCSI to USB2 controller cable that '= ;just works' on my Mac and/or any x86 laptop I have around.=C2=A0 It is= known=C2=A0to talk to the disks as well as recently discussed Archive Vipe= r QIC drives. That said, I've never tried the=C2=A0USB to SCSI cable wi= th a Linux -- only MacOS and Winders (I never needed to use it with anythin= g else).=C2=A0 =C2=A0Also, I have never tried that interface with 9-track, = which is on the FreeBSD systems SCSI chain driven by an on-motherboard Adap= tec PCI to SCSI. The only real issue I have had trying to=C2=A0use SCSI per= ipherals with MacOS is that traditional BSD <sys/mtio.h> is not inclu= ded in the last N versions of the Apple developers tool kit, making a compi= lation of old tape-based C code a PITA. Still, if you install the controlle= r and can manage to rebuild -- it all seems to work fine.

Clem
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