From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF7A238BF for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2024 18:36:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72612425FA; Tue, 5 Nov 2024 03:36:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-x432.google.com (mail-wr1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::432]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF3E242470 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2024 03:35:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-x432.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-37d50fad249so3290201f8f.1 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2024 09:35:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1730741753; x=1731346553; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=E5RVQdKnINxry21yuZIwofV5kQs4Sb+fA3rhyfn01Gw=; b=DOFlIDzP3FZMU/0SiB13QeY3YxVtSlgoKPVfOCBUwebaRdnjvipURRI3taHmp4q6+a 1JSOtEFcfsM9jzQ+365OeZPAtOILvZ5bOx9U974mwA2kGPh0ZhDtXEwxrk7IE0y7nrt7 /aDZkhkS/NAdRkYZ5FH8CUdgyKdXXPUAZaImvzHCZEXg/PNNvPeA6DQ/wbgNrSOFLuCE 5hkQx4DB+T75LFOJXyUmt7lrnlgJYxVgtEy4esbhFm3apupAxR6wmjaLrsmS0bFr6lPv BUDHPQrn5CntDEKQtykomJGYfrx6QqeR4PjJdiHZxUWlmc8o0HtUGNshY4Lbb7Z+QyHb QC8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1730741753; x=1731346553; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=E5RVQdKnINxry21yuZIwofV5kQs4Sb+fA3rhyfn01Gw=; b=BkHNmYeV0wgRlB5q+0t1hWZSecMzD4KqGljhDdHcE1uI9UX9XLf7LdmeKQ4Ohp5PCI rbJhVPePyQudCuSzAXeUEndIbM5U+AfEoyvT2LK84VpkjhmBRNB9rg+bqk5eIgZnLHiU ie31wEvT7XsOHI6/gdb4hX80vKcBBBhfb2SN/Nkpx7KE3i9JQ7WZkj+IfabKea5eakdP 06qBiRShTj2h0VIEbbAfgAndhZ8C7827/Ze/DNZyTzFsKxnUwnL29x9TGeHWfdMGE56d nqnXQBaIXwX8RKYHhKMz5nh/F2dkFQRRVeyJ1prIlXHtgYHdlh2AXO7Hy7+FrME1ALW/ iImw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyVuf1NbhMvYfT0VZoKl2o6PbA4u/k+uyKxqmStoUb8q+n3/BIO 08UFFWGu/4OKOhkaGQxhofwmd3mi1Lw3RoFO8KbkD8aPQI5N5XPzTy+Llsy96rqmIeLl/HSh1Cj WkiDUCc7wY9zQv1mds7hwacyzsA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG80R9VhqnwbocZ04bwL73d02pIkqaOn/wW/vOGDHUDMl+VxXxElc2aUZ1aG8EwRGrL29VktuQbEaW+OYzzOM8= X-Received: by 2002:adf:f652:0:b0:37d:52db:a0a1 with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-3806115ab4bmr23881229f8f.30.1730741753035; Mon, 04 Nov 2024 09:35:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <52a0ed21-2703-464d-b2e2-72fb44325d47@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <52a0ed21-2703-464d-b2e2-72fb44325d47@gmail.com> From: Marc Rochkind Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:35:40 -0700 Message-ID: To: Wesley Parish Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000634916062619b781" Message-ID-Hash: OQUGX3STOYOMMZEBJATDPNMDYDFUTYFR X-Message-ID-Hash: OQUGX3STOYOMMZEBJATDPNMDYDFUTYFR X-MailFrom: mrochkind@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: RIP Darl McBride former CEO of SCO List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000634916062619b781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many opinions of the evidence, especially on Groklaw, but also elsewhere, including here. But none of these people offering opinions have really seen the evidence, which has been sealed. Mostly people talk about "evidence " offered by Darl at the start. But NONE of the actual evidence came from him. It was researched by a team of expert witnesses on both sides, of which I was one. On Mon, Nov 4, 2024, 8:23=E2=80=AFAM Wesley Parish w= rote: > I've just checked, and ibiblio has retained the Groklaw blog, static > now, over the past few years. It was perhaps the best dissection of the > case from a legal point of view: > > http://groklaw.ibiblio.org/ > > http://groklawstatic.ibiblio.org/articlesonly.php > > though it seems that only the last pages have in fact made it to > ibiblio. You may have to browse the Wayback Machine for the earlier ones. > > Wesley Parish > > On 4/11/24 15:31, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > On Sunday, 3 November 2024 at 19:17:03 -0600, Will Senn wrote: > >> It happened in September, apparently, but is only now making the round= s. > >> Darl McBride, known for taking everybody and his brother to court over > >> stolen code, has passed away. > >> > >> > https://fossforce.com/2024/11/once-linuxs-biggest-enemy-darl-mcbride-dies= -and-nobody-notices/ > > Oh. As you say, RIP. > > > >> I actually remember liking SCO back in the day, before the company > >> leadership went dark-side. These days, we get to play with ancient uni= x > cuz > >> of their license. > > Yes. SCO really changed between 2002 and 2003. > > > >> Is there a concise summary of the SCO suits and fallout out there? I'v= e > seen > >> a lot on the AT&T side of things, but other than having lived through > it, > >> I've not seen much on what eventually happened and why it all sort of > just > >> dissappeared. > > Not quite what you're looking for, but at the time I kept quite a bit > > of information at http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/ > > > > It's a bit of a mess, and a lot of the links have atrophied, but some > > of it could be interesting. Potentially the reference to BSD code in > > the fossforce article could be related to > > http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/code-comparison.php > > > > Greg > > -- > > Sent from my desktop computer. > > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. > > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php > --000000000000634916062619b781 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Many opinions of the evidence, especially on Groklaw, but al= so elsewhere, including here. But none of these people offering opinions ha= ve really seen the evidence, which has been sealed. Mostly people talk abou= t "evidence " offered by Darl at the start. But NONE of the actua= l evidence came from him. It was researched by a team of expert witnesses o= n both sides, of which I was one.


On Mon= , Nov 4, 2024, 8:23=E2=80=AFAM Wesley Parish <wobblygong@gmail.com> wrote:
I've just checked, and ibiblio has retained the Groklaw = blog, static
now, over the past few years. It was perhaps the best dissection of the case from a legal point of view:

http://groklaw.ibiblio.org/

http://groklawstatic.ibiblio.org/article= sonly.php

though it seems that only the last pages have in fact made it to
ibiblio. You may have to browse the Wayback Machine for the earlier ones.
Wesley Parish

On 4/11/24 15:31, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Sunday,=C2=A0 3 November 2024 at 19:17:03 -0600, Will Senn wrote: >> It happened in September, apparently, but is only now making the r= ounds.
>> Darl McBride, known for taking everybody and his brother to court = over
>> stolen code, has passed away.
>>
>> https://fossforce.com/2024/11/once-linuxs-biggest-enemy-darl-m= cbride-dies-and-nobody-notices/
> Oh.=C2=A0 As you say, RIP.
>
>> I actually remember liking SCO back in the day, before the company=
>> leadership went dark-side. These days, we get to play with ancient= unix cuz
>> of their license.
> Yes.=C2=A0 SCO really changed between 2002 and 2003.
>
>> Is there a concise summary of the SCO suits and fallout out there?= I've seen
>> a lot on the AT&T side of things, but other than having lived = through it,
>> I've not seen much on what eventually happened and why it all = sort of just
>> dissappeared.
> Not quite what you're looking for, but at the time I kept quite a = bit
> of information at http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/ >
> It's a bit of a mess, and a lot of the links have atrophied, but s= ome
> of it could be interesting.=C2=A0 Potentially the reference to BSD cod= e in
> the fossforce article could be related to
> http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/code-= comparison.php
>
> Greg
> --
> Sent from my desktop computer.
> Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key.
> See complete headers for address and phone numbers.
> This message is digitally signed.=C2=A0 If your Microsoft mail program=
> reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken= -MUA.php
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