From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973073197D for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 07:21:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CE3428CB; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:20:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BD94427BE for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:20:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-38637614567so1116058f8f.3 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 22:20:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1734157248; x=1734762048; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=OReTLM9cpC5ZB5Z1W4U0zFNOyfyWxjdN9B8GBK5YrUQ=; b=OK40CkSJivWWS0iebwl0XAt/q58Tjq0y7Q6413lrU9n2+/KHtmh0NAYlAalDbrZ6Dp /IX59xaIv8x2YUnqXtSiBPYUbeOfPNr5eFB+jC9rZ6NlHi/UVmDXv7Vlm9ChM96RbEIY YayeiN+g69xfwfzCSrlZkQVlGRNol7spCnKfNrUytc8SmTRtlxFHLqI+09IhonW/Kq8h ADFlGsd557yi3bT2ZNdYPZnM1pVZN2f27yo9sV/tcojkubzBX4J++y8nZ+POLuIjdZ4K aEhKp9BG4v6x9kqh/w9eLKiTlVV0H1bbwwtiA6Z6csQ2fM5dfnt5AZ/3ykcesvg41VsX jzOg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1734157248; x=1734762048; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=OReTLM9cpC5ZB5Z1W4U0zFNOyfyWxjdN9B8GBK5YrUQ=; b=grMRJ0z2lLP//3B9yothSyiATm+2KDLRg1SIsXRsgh1BdxlfDQEHeuVq83YbVZ9eEt 0hh/DegRxA/K5x4Tekj1a1lk6eGXziof5FydORkHdmDNJetkcRoO3xg6pYJ6J7bv7l/X UvVH55JDoFSXaJE4rwno+SjslIOzJYcJWrXeQGWUPE29pRFnF+H0h/5JjbACfS2lp2nI V0UzQ1TVpLVVqSZs4pZnkLU67JOCjw85oHFI2PFNCifSRjZyuPrAR/REJQ84MZi0y2X3 8fGEUh/ckzSYO/8j9FZQ2YXrHTXm790BLCAM3+i+lKQPbqz/jtnNX3xJPs5ROSpEAo2m 9NSw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVtEszsWQvBochoThQPYWr3Rw7IFssA3lx9mS70hnC3iZJY9U8MPkaiaDOKma7XOB2a236s@tuhs.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YylZizMACr7C3aaLcyLHegNa/f1dsZ4ggUrN8OoydmWRIU2RGo+ nqGu0cXb860rAwQZozGRHwb8u5kGe3BR2uZsa7M2WLwKqKo9z9EWXQ77KSByOXs/2fWb9gXb4SO l20mWsz0GR2aPQHAWPEdsDTCfvg== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctMCXJN5SzpVnDXrioYN11yfnPL2IaAW6p4CanJJtm9y7ncaYyfGTdmgzbqn/b jr4rVfYE4Lva4XFC978Xp9hClymmWCr13JJCU X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE+Shq1/entutEjEqTEarsqCEQZj6dOzsWkR6OC+pS/qeoQD3I9jUpq0k7dgWpws3YBNBrTs9cD1Zb+y83KbsI= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:648b:0:b0:385:e3b8:f331 with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-38880ad0709mr4799527f8f.14.1734157247551; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 22:20:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Marc Rochkind Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:20:36 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b9a119062934f2d8" Message-ID-Hash: CGZUFBS65LG6UDRK63AUZ6FMYVOJQRHB X-Message-ID-Hash: CGZUFBS65LG6UDRK63AUZ6FMYVOJQRHB X-MailFrom: mrochkind@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Mark Seiden , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: SCCS roach motel List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000b9a119062934f2d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was a joke, Dan. I've been programming for 58 years, and nobody has put in more bugs than me, I'm sure. Marc On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 6:28=E2=80=AFPM Dan Cross wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 8:12=E2=80=AFPM Marc Rochkind wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:10=E2=80=AFPM Dan Cross wr= ote: > >> I had heard a story once, that based on what you wrote today, I now > >> think is apocryphal and never actually happened. > >> > >> The story was that there was a bug in early SCCS where a source file > >> had to be checked in twice before it could be (successfully) checked > >> out. The bug was such that if one only checked it in once and tried to > >> check it out, it would truncate the file. "Programmers using it just > >> learned to check in twice." > >> > >> I never used SCCS extensively, and certainly never observed that > >> behavior, so chucked it up to the bug having been long fixed. As I > >> mentioned above, I doubt it was ever there to begin with. A fun story, > >> though. > > > > This is completely ridiculous. No program I wrote ever had one of those > bug things. > > Oh dear, I do hope no offense was taken. As I said, I firmly believe > the story was apocryphal. > > The identity of the person from whom I heard it is probably known to > at least some of the USENIX old school crew; I rather thought at the > time they were under the impression that SCCS was the result of a > large team, or perhaps some kind of fork. > > Anyway, I don't mean to belabor the point. Please accept my apologies > if the story rubbed you the wrong way. > > - Dan C. > --=20 *My new email address is mrochkind@gmail.com * --000000000000b9a119062934f2d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That was a joke, Dan.

I've been pro= gramming for 58 years, and nobody has put in more bugs than me, I'm sur= e.

Marc

On Fri, Dec= 13, 2024 at 6:28=E2=80=AFPM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 8:12=E2=80=AFPM Marc Rochkind &= lt;mrochkind@gmail= .com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:10=E2=80=AFPM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I had heard a story once, that based on what you wrote today, I no= w
>> think is apocryphal and never actually happened.
>>
>> The story was that there was a bug in early SCCS where a source fi= le
>> had to be checked in twice before it could be (successfully) check= ed
>> out. The bug was such that if one only checked it in once and trie= d to
>> check it out, it would truncate the file. "Programmers using = it just
>> learned to check in twice."
>>
>> I never used SCCS extensively, and certainly never observed that >> behavior, so chucked it up to the bug having been long fixed. As I=
>> mentioned above, I doubt it was ever there to begin with. A fun st= ory,
>> though.
>
> This is completely ridiculous. No program I wrote ever had one of thos= e bug things.

Oh dear, I do hope no offense was taken.=C2=A0 As I said, I firmly believe<= br> the story was apocryphal.

The identity of the person from whom I heard it is probably known to
at least some of the USENIX old school crew; I rather thought at the
time they were under the impression that SCCS was the result of a
large team, or perhaps some kind of fork.

Anyway, I don't mean to belabor the point. Please accept my apologies if the story rubbed you the wrong way.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Dan C.


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