From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226FC267EC for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 18:18:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F308342881; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:18:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-x42f.google.com (mail-wr1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4388A4287A for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2024 03:18:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-33e9dfd343fso63015f8f.0 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:18:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710263887; x=1710868687; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=HKquDEyyhoRLNH/5jlhGpkSDsAEXuJXhzCn0FlyaQko=; b=j1PSEQ8ZqsricNa838HllmkKhBalC8qyVhqwUXcPqzEJ5FPlCfTUercxwtlwQUAOVO ubN0tq6trbwpDk5KKdyHI+gjx9Piign9Oqo7XBguPZ/RCNYU92knxKcd2Sjp0W2nJohb 18GZMxawy1ylTR/yfPI8jsNcbQdnGIODcf7pEpQA3NU+mu9ceB154lYVxglsloVltFW6 Qa2UrlAZSiL8OkxlXCtgHxSIGMlo+6itgFyTOru9b1J1EDPp78KUr/ABxHxrPSbACp88 UGaH3sGnHKTR/N4sQfFFBdzSjKuOQIWxY5/eoRWO94Q2fBRGiftVkyQAkJb7eYlCmtZq lMEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710263887; x=1710868687; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=HKquDEyyhoRLNH/5jlhGpkSDsAEXuJXhzCn0FlyaQko=; b=WnlNgagHb8kfvIo/xSgIKWbDWtRAwKOKYcHoCKwYAgmADWntmLqa1Rn5TwamY0ToMd mZp4TzXgarJzKH00Kv9b0sFx+xFqSaMwGtTk5r6nIyoOKA6nnIewiLTvT1QCow5jtFk7 A9SS//dnhHdwjjRaGZg7F5kACt3BNYYCn3+NyzTjd7ysEeJ9+5+znz7m85azGzk8LDLu OI0azTC4D2kXvafoITwRzrsY7bV2ExjTpWgARozqQeLSaqrZdfp75fCnhBGuYmcJlSeA jut8SuL2BUoDRyhniGAOF3KYXIp2WBlMnNPE4wmMu6VihSaC8VMGC20jQkLImH2YPvx/ guag== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz6zT8SJnIahhbEIjh1p0K04dmCsj+VouATauKvLLzi3UN5ArM/ JwLS81+ZsrSFzn0xp5KarLX8jM4bLD91/FnjzmXWF33FMqrxM40Q0dQvE7p0aedkj+Tx7SDPUcZ 2CwL5X9gHQdVIoixwot0G6j2tViIyR6FANA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGmcxshpAP2rRLMKl8EeYXpGjisiE/Uu4Ff13JQ+pcdLRI7TBEIteoe+gyAwykhcVNN/1t7+9XYQKRI/OIT/Bk= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5283:0:b0:33e:88b7:af0f with SMTP id c3-20020a5d5283000000b0033e88b7af0fmr46237wrv.50.1710263887349; Tue, 12 Mar 2024 10:18:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12CFE503-ACC8-44B5-BA41-28DB5450E521@planet.nl> In-Reply-To: From: Marc Rochkind Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 11:17:55 -0600 Message-ID: To: Henry Bent Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007a5300061379d7cc" Message-ID-Hash: JOVLRTBCMEPTU5MGKPJCPOLOWX3WRQCI X-Message-ID-Hash: JOVLRTBCMEPTU5MGKPJCPOLOWX3WRQCI X-MailFrom: mrochkind@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: "tuhs@tuhs.org" X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: History of non-Bell C compilers? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000007a5300061379d7cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 8:55=E2=80=AFAM Henry Bent = wrote: > ...Did you continue to use Coherent, or do you have any thoughts on the > article in hindsight? > > -Henry > I definitely didn't continue to use Coherent. As I recall, I installed each of the 3 systems successively on my XT (Pick, Coherent, and THEOS). That was about the time I got PC/IX from Interactive Systems (true System III), and that's what I went with. At a trade show, I bought a utility that allowed me to run PC-DOS under PC/IX. I'm sure it wasn't a virtual machine. Rather, it just swapped back and forth. (Guessing a bit there.) What Coherent and some other very early UNIX clones missed was the idea of open source, which came along later. This is what allowed Linux to thrive when others went by the wayside. But, nobody knew how to make any money from open source (and maybe still don't), so that would have been a problem back then. As for my thoughts on the article: Reading it recently, it seems OK. I have no idea how one ought to go about reviewing an operating system. Certainly loading one up and playing with it for a couple of hours doesn't tell much. Using one exclusively for a long time doesn't tell one anything, either. I think reviews work better for movies, books, hotels, cameras, and things like that. Marc --0000000000007a5300061379d7cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 8:55=E2=80=AF= AM Henry Bent <henry.r.bent@gm= ail.com> wrote:
...Did you continue to use Coheren= t, or do you have any thoughts on the article in hindsight?

-Henry

I definitely didn't continue = to use Coherent. As I recall, I installed each of the 3 systems successivel= y on my XT (Pick, Coherent, and THEOS). That was about the time I got PC/IX= from Interactive Systems (true System III), and that's what I went wit= h.

At a trade show, I bought a utility that allowe= d me to run PC-DOS under PC/IX. I'm sure it wasn't a virtual machin= e. Rather, it just swapped back and forth. (Guessing a bit there.)

What Coherent and some other very early UNIX clones missed= was the idea of open source, which came along later. This is what allowed = Linux to thrive when others went by the wayside. But, nobody knew how to ma= ke any money from open source (and maybe still don't), so that would ha= ve been a problem back then.

As for my thoughts on= the article: Reading it recently, it seems OK. I have no idea how one ough= t to go about reviewing an operating system. Certainly loading one up and p= laying with it for a couple of hours doesn't tell much. Using one exclu= sively for a long time doesn't tell one anything, either. I think revie= ws work better for movies, books, hotels, cameras, and things like that.

Marc
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