From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 47f1a24d for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 18:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7B932A26F8; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 04:47:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B70A26D4; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 04:47:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 24AA893FC6; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 04:47:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-f41.google.com (mail-ua1-f41.google.com [209.85.222.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D336A26D4 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 04:47:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f41.google.com with SMTP id e16so7411889uam.12 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:47:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=FVasXftRRlLbZ304L0AcmHbzxzV8+fe1092bgwV/N5c=; b=C7bjMmNfYPQgS9CIJJbfQ4FcATSVVw9ZBpSh5X6fgrDFH1dFp6S5rm6x7iNDv5WIld olgM17r3tR4wVylK0j5ln5BLuSyI/t8/nMajeasKFgYtsGKgJaj+fA2t0mTq6Eac1G3n /Wv3Cule7fvu50nieizgtkLSzrd3Q2SQFH+Di5E4JQ+tl0zpC1GJOVjwfR9N036aaOa4 LDJwJhHSF0u+CTSyREtYg1aI+SqhMNc8O3ejI/C7xW1CzTReT1EvcVTe7c+xdqXP7q/L J1AhEqXoNOBW+fk5B43xQd8tXu7IpBtc8i6B7OGqlLs2RVv369Q7MvHdRppsKWiWJMfM ging== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=FVasXftRRlLbZ304L0AcmHbzxzV8+fe1092bgwV/N5c=; b=lufNs4Z/SvaLJ4BLhpvcoS6F1pimbKXoVOkhO+gC5iIW6tSUdbMTp7N9gQoEwH6ATL 0KdOKpPgxk1rkarkUFWwIsmYhKMDrdCM/ATjMAgHZSViN0IYkBaTu352PLSL+rC2f0M9 QxOujynP15kyTMOiKTMn3UTyYBEa85dX9y6n42tWC1C95OK/3Y0+RYH9iPIy5oPBt+cM O8toWrOCf27WseJnJgfeND+o6WYyCbf9RYdjriHXI0upkqYhQfg7HQAoeiGcWZXWnhXK KJD7k9/uYvGPwIL2QG8mpkty0VrOlFWydsO+z9ugjTtI1XPwtEYpnSO6gzsxuLuY3zfS 9iIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLh+zwEfAW0bmmlG+4w7FaROTNhv7rjbZVJJtbNcFGFR9PKxPT1 3TJLISxEQd4YK+tg1bCh62qGNt+WDXrq9qTEXu5Q0Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5f6e+BESkIqqau8VLSam2lQgPsMbIjAAkUHduIx/MD/6TqfeBKFA0LJ4CRSBIK4HZkbzX3qV58bTob4YQlQj9Y= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:314c:: with SMTP id n12mr5465818uab.33.1542394042085; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 10:47:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <17703613.640.1542382385149.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil> <4829D87A-1170-4E45-8D55-1FD047CDFAA0@cheswick.com> In-Reply-To: <4829D87A-1170-4E45-8D55-1FD047CDFAA0@cheswick.com> From: Tom Manos Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 13:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fb7391057acc980d" Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000fb7391057acc980d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unlike many of us here, I started with UNIX a bit later, at Naval Postgraduate School, in the mid '80s. It was a relatively early BSD, and I didn't learn it much except to know that I wanted to understand it better, but didn't have time. Mostly I had to write C programs. Just a bit later I had the opportunity to purchase and run Microport SysV/AT on 286 hardware, and was an immediate convert. I continued using Microport systems through SVR4. Like others, I found the manuals' thickness and terseness a turn-off until I bought a book. I think it was "Introducing the UNIX System" by Henry McGilton and Rachel Morgan (I still have my copy). A little over 500 pages of UNIX goodness that taught me all the basics. My experience was that once you know the basic commands you need for day to day life in UNIX, the manuals become very helpful. If you can work with sh, ls, awk, find, grep, ps, an editor, and a few others, the manuals supplement that knowledge with everything else you need. Additionally, the manuals make a little more sense each time you read them. Of course, actually administering a UNIX system without prior knowledge, OJT or a book, using just the manual pages, is next to impossible. BTW, I still run SVR4/MP here at home on period hardware. It's a joy to use= . Tom --- On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:44 AM WIlliam Cheswick wrote= : > I agree, and would like to add that Lorinda Cherry=E2=80=99s permuted in= dex of > the Unix commands was a perfect > match to those succinct man pages, easing me into the world of all those > filters. > > --000000000000fb7391057acc980d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unlike many of us here, I started with UNIX a bit later, a= t Naval Postgraduate School, in the mid '80s. It was a relatively early= BSD, and I didn't learn it much except to know that I wanted to unders= tand it better, but didn't have time. Mostly I had to write C programs.=

Just a bit later I had the opportunity to purchase and = run Microport SysV/AT on 286 hardware, and was an immediate convert. I cont= inued using Microport systems through SVR4. Like others, I found the manual= s' thickness and terseness a turn-off until I bought a book.
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I think it was "Introducing the UNIX System" by He= nry McGilton and Rachel Morgan (I still have my copy). A little over 500 pa= ges of UNIX goodness that taught me all the basics. My experience was that = once you know the basic commands you need for day to day life in UNIX, the = manuals become very helpful. If you can work with sh, ls, awk, find, grep, = ps, an editor, and a few others, the manuals supplement that knowledge with= everything else you need. Additionally, the manuals make a little more sen= se each time you read them. Of course, actually administering a UNIX system= without prior knowledge, OJT or a book, using just the manual pages, is ne= xt to impossible.

BTW, I still run SVR4/MP here at= home on period hardware. It's a joy to use.

T= om

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On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:44 AM WIlliam Cheswick <ches@cheswick.com> wrote:
=C2=A0I agree, and would like to add that Lorinda Ch= erry=E2=80=99s permuted index of the Unix commands was a perfect
match to those succinct man pages, easing me into the world of all those fi= lters.

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