From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28303 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2021 23:41:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Dec 2021 23:41:50 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id ECCBB9CC28; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:41:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BDA9CBE3; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:41:16 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="Mls/q0st"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B37D69CBE3; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:41:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f176.google.com (mail-qk1-f176.google.com [209.85.222.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EE5E9CBE2 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 09:41:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id g28so522389qkk.9 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 15:41:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=uK6Z3RmS/v4O0QOxG/64Av6W0tbe3aqbsnzLjEIy3b0=; b=Mls/q0stfgrYx5wwffbP0K2zKIdzxmUoBr17y4MiWXC8U1B4VT2GyQIT9h7zmr/Fot F69IVkCBlXd3b6RsW7KSlOKmTPfw67KFp8EEDHaD1CxhP6hN7MojwmC/K7mwpHr8eSHE l4JRtFimj3KJp4UJe9ZmuoGc8ls6bEP5tH+YqBPe8F7iYOeYfXZq3ST6/WL+boGhxZ17 DlVuhMBHVk6erWc1GYJ9lHHkB4nQjtLuUPTY5ck9xYnTE3tFVqKVKIdfYYL5MKE9Juu1 y5IggN7xJ+GSIoOjpJ0gSKHIF6JLoEKq0uGyKVAnCvUhEcHG2LfWENJoVOUjyj3x9DrC 5vjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=uK6Z3RmS/v4O0QOxG/64Av6W0tbe3aqbsnzLjEIy3b0=; b=4M2v3FcPqw3P69cGpym7//Vv39BPKmivETLxmT0zeNyOIbCxKwvpza7cs+JM7TnLMc +q6ZHl7Omo6UBDY+O7x4dB4HDE8zaXhcMEItO/jDlgEbbV4R3kHCAoxXci+YIsf2R8L0 dyM60hgbM70ya26C+9WZsM79ZBrWDMShVrIYIrRGIWm1/sN70Gc1DGqMggTlYNiQPltv 8RrWLEBpowwbF2mvdU5gNQ0h4LxT+pb7LWUhLQo6QyoJHoPvWFfusLKuBLv95/KK7p7F EUZ3rd7RnH1O7ai1zdahKpCGLL3B2nJ+s74y4GCH/yCj7l0WhcA42NihsmB0jawT9c3j Q9Pg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532CPrI5D6BobjLIVCd4IVufWwO5D3QptZmT5ONOUc7Y1xyp8Q+t XXPtPvil67ICZXmMo58cgBC0Cla/NyJVOAtLarnj9+WG X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJycYUZ+Hfp5C2n62iXyFwIVdulSspXf1ONXhqDLq1RipO6TocPCp5x7sFRyezZ430nNYr64F6ckwGhMGekhkm4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:c47:: with SMTP id u7mr296111qki.568.1639698072005; Thu, 16 Dec 2021 15:41:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202112150844.1BF8iibJ012519@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Tom Manos Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 18:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: To: tuhs@tuhs.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001ef33f05d34bf5bf" Subject: Re: [TUHS] efl(1) anyone? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000001ef33f05d34bf5bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Clem, I agree with everything you said. I think the operative word here is "playing". I'm not aware of anyone who would use either 4.3BSD or efl for real work. It's just fun to mess around with some things from the somewhat distant past that we missed along the way. For me, right now, that's BSD, which I used at Naval Postgraduate School in the mid-80s, but never after. After I left grad school, all I was exposed to was SVR2-4 and then OSF/1 and then Solaris from the mid 90's on. BSD is fun. Tom ---- Tom Manos Vivat Jesus KO4ENQ On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:56 PM Tom Manos wrote: > I'm late to the party here. Although I'm a gray hair, I didn't start using > UNIX until the early '80s, and though I've seen, and been curious about > efl, I've never used it. Fortran 4 was my first high-level language in > college in the '70s. > > That said, I do remember efl being on an early PC based UNIX - Microport > SVR2. On later Microport UNIXen it was gone, but I can't remember whether > it disappeared on SVR3 or 4. > > I currently play with 4.3BSD Quasijarus system on simh, which has efl. > What a fun system to play with! Maybe I'll give efl a try if I can find > enough docs to grok it. > > Tom > ---- > Tom Manos > KO4ENQ > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:49 AM wrote: > >> Hi TUHS folks! >> >> After having reincarnated ratfor, I am wondering about Stuart Feldman's >> efl (extended fortran language). It was a real compiler that let you >> define structs, and generated more or less readable Fortran code. >> >> I have the impression that it was pretty cool, but that it just didn't >> catch on. So: >> >> - Did anyone here ever use it personally? >> >> - Is my impression that it didn't catch on correct? Or am I ignorant? >> >> Thoughts etc. welcome. :-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Arnold >> > --0000000000001ef33f05d34bf5bf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cle= m,

I agree with everythin= g you said.
I think the o= perative word here is "playing". I'm not aware of anyone who = would use either 4.3BSD or efl for real work. It's just fun to mess aro= und with some things from the somewhat distant past that we missed along th= e way.

For me, right now,= that's BSD, which I used at Naval Postgraduate School in the mid-80s, = but never after. After I left grad school, all I was exposed to was SVR2-4 = and then OSF/1 and then Solaris from the mid 90's on. BSD is fun.
=

Tom
----
Tom Manos
Vivat Jesus
=
KO4ENQ


On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 12:56 PM Tom= Manos <tom.manos@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
I'm l= ate to the party here. Although I'm a gray hair, I didn't start usi= ng UNIX until the early '80s, and though I've seen, and been curiou= s about efl, I've never used it. Fortran 4 was my first high-level lang= uage in college in=C2=A0the '70s.

That said, I do remember efl being on an early PC based UNIX -= Microport SVR2. On later Microport UNIXen it was gone, but I can't rem= ember whether it disappeared on SVR3 or 4.

I currently play with 4.3BSD Quasijarus system on simh,= =C2=A0which has efl. What a fun system to play with! Maybe I'll give ef= l a try if I can find enough docs to grok it.

Tom
-= ---
Tom Manos
KO4ENQ


On = Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 3:49 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
Hi TUHS folks!

After having reincarnated ratfor, I am wondering about Stuart Feldman's=
efl (extended fortran language). It was a real compiler that let you
define structs, and generated more or less readable Fortran code.

I have the impression that it was pretty cool, but that it just didn't<= br> catch on.=C2=A0 So:

- Did anyone here ever use it personally?

- Is my impression that it didn't catch on correct? Or am I ignorant?
Thoughts etc. welcome. :-)

Thanks,

Arnold
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