From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19312 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2021 16:14:33 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Jan 2021 16:14:33 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CB2FA9C7B5; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 02:14:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2049C65D; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 02:14:10 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="TxUHjYAC"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9F70E9C65D; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 02:14:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pg1-f180.google.com (mail-pg1-f180.google.com [209.85.215.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 212159C5FD for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 02:14:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pg1-f180.google.com with SMTP id n25so11749208pgb.0 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 08:14:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JHZIa1w/gf+r9u5KEvTTqaFyQHKDO6or2AM9ZP2Rol0=; b=TxUHjYACrNP/4gYzYsHHJdgcpbJyUVxFLedaOZvRaainVOomWKu8kr26yZd8IMREfQ LppUN53/pBMsxCloQnw3fSESeWEq1UvI/BTAot5/d8c3qrJLMNEF8pXaBFsl2WHOSUhk ogqvsUGuvOFFxbMo8I8luYehPfwetwxkB/L6RXe5iRIlNd1QygrGwzxYQ6Booga10FvZ w8+SFYqbh1Yy7Pk5vemUQVgSsOdZ6Sgg9YiDNvZaNXXSXZbti5kaGFD+DkdsmqLGWyK1 KNI0WOZYq/MFmWzon2VUGoeadxx9QoUgt2dWvEyy8wP5jH9rFgG/TCAYQ/UWMTjjznxR towg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=JHZIa1w/gf+r9u5KEvTTqaFyQHKDO6or2AM9ZP2Rol0=; b=Gemnyu7dlBq+M9ewJaV0lcDi9fX8gXiPTXgbJiOX1DuwCy+8P2xplDwUPsdpZHrQ1W PCjd5rCy/M9BgQWYkIdbc2X7tZPEqwItRkshPs2WmKnGyWuu+adLBBGGv0s+P4/jETaN ppU+Pmff98tjumkf9HO0mrfPsRfPvRRIvVA10QUnQ8NoZ0tGp2qEHQq8NNLGr55owiN7 wbgywaKfrI4q5nvNxJWu+rM24Gb1BAKeWi/Ir2pXLgWi3Sg2mg/LW+e0rsc7DwCnf/Ca F2vOW5x3nMikMRotUa5IfdM6MvaTYIlpcDQVDLymPI//bjtYVdBkcEBxNadgLOokkkda 8yig== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533QIaotICrb53Bo1r/BeXXhwpk/piZZYB347WxtvIe5ownyMImX EubapvzNKDh2cFU/0vGzKyL+9z85cWSmNEw/ax7pcUn9BI0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJybbY4rk6szJmy8pAxYn7DoeVO0GieayUyYDQnJnV+7NrXl8mKKTSZYvMl2aK7BWrf3wLuuB6x85mxf+lOgczc= X-Received: by 2002:a65:534c:: with SMTP id w12mr6272742pgr.179.1611677646969; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 08:14:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Adam Thornton Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 09:13:53 -0700 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a3e17205b9cff1a0" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Favorite unix design principles? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000a3e17205b9cff1a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To be fair I've made a decent career spanning five calendar decades so far out of replacing the thing I started out doing with a shell script (in recent decades, more often Perl, then Python), so it's not the _worst_ job advice.... On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:01 AM Niklas Karlsson wrote: > > > Den tis 26 jan. 2021 kl 16:24 skrev Clem Cole : > >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 5:23 AM Tyler Adams >> wrote: >> >>> Looking at the 1978 list, the last one really stands out: >>> >>> "Use tools in preference to unskilled help to lighten a programming >>> task" -- The concept of unskilled help for a programming task...doesn't >>> really exist in 2020. The only special case is doing unskilled labor >>> yourself. What unskilled tasks did people used to do back in the day? >>> >>> Tyler >>> >> I've often wondered if this is the source of the infamous putdown: When >> you operate in such or such manner,* "you could/should be replaced with >> a shell script."* >> > > The version I've heard is even "... a very small shell script". > > Niklas > >> =E1=90=A7 >> > --000000000000a3e17205b9cff1a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To be fair I've made a decent career spanning five cal= endar decades so far out of replacing the thing I started out doing with a = shell script (in recent decades, more often Perl, then Python), so it's= not the _worst_ job advice....

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:01 AM Niklas K= arlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmai= l.com> wrote:


Den tis 26 jan. 2021 kl 16:24 sk= rev Clem Cole <clemc@= ccc.com>:


On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 5:23 AM Tyler Adams <coppero1237@gmail.c= om> wrote:
Looking at the 1978 list, the last one really stand= s out:

"Use tools in preference to unskilled help to= lighten a programming task" -- The concept of unskilled help for a pr= ogramming task...doesn't really exist in 2020. The only special case is= doing unskilled labor yourself. What unskilled tasks did people used to do= back in the day?

Tyler
I've often wondered if t= his is the source of the infamous putdown: W= hen you operate in such or such manner, "you could/should be replaced with a shell script."=C2=A0

The version I'= ;ve heard is even "... a very small shell script".

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Niklas
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