From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20721 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2023 00:55:28 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jan 2023 00:55:28 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FF142410; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 10:55:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ej1-f47.google.com (mail-ej1-f47.google.com [209.85.218.47]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89A24423E9 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 10:55:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ej1-f47.google.com with SMTP id vw16so1624268ejc.12 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 16:55:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=IFS/A37jZkZF9hnkkgc+80zPhM/7dwzJTw0rgmfitx4=; b=kdfKJgPRUXY6h/X4keRml+zLK+xhrbhjnAxYciugV1z0ggWH6/XJMAgKc9+ea1iK3C 3d8KqT1fFj4Ijwr6NPoGdpia1RMnfbtN0EvhjU1k6jWVwgvyxIRH6gknpVlbUSx6NnoC B6khd7y2vcQAdgr0mWhGVAVqMO8A49u/TQtRHIZSf/aZFPRQad28T5rm/z/Dz1D3hUWO U2AM6Ywjz3c6IoxwY8miPpm0wlXlmFE7xqgUDIHgdgWww0z636qjOL+GnYIxei2JDj0Q Ar88z50b+1HbeA8iALGY+Atq/eYXTK2Jc7gP2jqRn/Qa/uY8FZFYMNKkY00WcprtG1un 9Ftg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=IFS/A37jZkZF9hnkkgc+80zPhM/7dwzJTw0rgmfitx4=; b=1X2Xiixwh+CXMOo6jvg1BNu0TGqU20sBorZKRceoelNTnD3UzesL8w56jUHaDEd2h5 s3hLQLu6jxWBj5NuSk5vaAOPY2Yg0CQqz1HVCQ46KSCy6majR/+CJJRa4LOJFv9dSHEt 9Dblq3WE5SQvC8111D80EEle4dgeLtF7ceoVs+aPsmGMCtcxtPHFTdmlir/rXP3b9amI SS9uhyMr0W+4ZGCf3jIQed4RxtniRnk0P5psGLpwLmJ3J869zCGQnvigKhBNxUm2AkpV LnGW8fsVaulEI+f6AFdwKV1vV3kQ+4wnLIC5sHQ3iyQQnCKmBElSUDeLwYbKCAF53L4Z 4LpA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpw715GpxYxQlXi8sQQ5fN8jRPAfpo9WjKeeSq6meVu/Yn2QunC 6Nsj4ReEqozjYt7nlLIHl6a8+oKDZ1/CMIsR2tQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXuGdoghtg+0u7xh29+wfc48zx3epQjeIzgMA5bdInbDoATWWyDPWJ5+ARBFFZos3nph6d1s15drzE6Pgeu1gTU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:d143:b0:7c0:f7b0:fbbb with SMTP id br3-20020a170906d14300b007c0f7b0fbbbmr1018259ejb.266.1674089651659; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 16:54:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301181513.30IFDDUJ015224@freefriends.org> <20230118151446.GD2964@mcvoy.com> <20230118161959.GE2964@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20230118161959.GE2964@mcvoy.com> From: Adam Thornton Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 17:54:00 -0700 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000269ce05f2935f48" Message-ID-Hash: HILBJVPXUI2O7ICI6WFP4DBT7YL7HCJJ X-Message-ID-Hash: HILBJVPXUI2O7ICI6WFP4DBT7YL7HCJJ X-MailFrom: athornton@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000000269ce05f2935f48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:20 AM Larry McVoy wrote: > Pretty unrealistic to expect the users to suddenly have the time to do > kernel dev. Solaris opened sourced itself and it's dead. > > That one's not entirely on the users. There's plenty of blame for Oracle as well. I was the person nominally in charge of the OpenSolaris port to z (Neale Ferguson did most of the heavy lifting) when Sine Nomine built it, having read the tea leaves and believing that IBM would buy Sun. And then IBM tightened the screws a little too far and Larry Ellison grabbed it instead. Dammit. OpenSolaris development had been pretty lively, but then Oracle made it clear they didn't have any interest in keeping it alive. Illumos did its best. Adam --0000000000000269ce05f2935f48 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:20 AM Larry= McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
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Pretty unrealistic t= o expect the users to suddenly have the time to do
kernel dev.=C2=A0 Solaris opened sourced itself and it's dead.


That one's not entirely on the use= rs.

There's plenty of blame for Oracle as well= .

I was the person nominally in charge of the = OpenSolaris port to z (Neale Ferguson did most of the heavy lifting) when S= ine Nomine built it, having read the tea leaves and believing that IBM woul= d buy Sun.=C2=A0 And then IBM tightened the screws a little too far and Lar= ry Ellison grabbed it instead.=C2=A0 Dammit.

OpenS= olaris development had been pretty lively, but then Oracle made it clear th= ey didn't have any interest in keeping it alive.=C2=A0 Illumos did its = best.

Adam
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