From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21381 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2020 23:42:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Aug 2020 23:42:34 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0D8A59CAA9; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:42:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A93C9C1D7; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:41:56 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="s6iLluDx"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5E1EB9C1CE; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:41:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-f176.google.com (mail-pf1-f176.google.com [209.85.210.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D41AF9C1C7 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:41:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-f176.google.com with SMTP id y206so1364pfb.10 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2020 16:41:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GPX5dXx856+skp4CZQw774ged1jENtR7pFVbmYlsA3M=; b=s6iLluDx2+kYf+PwD/aBLYacq6IvTepkoW4uK5INp0lGsHZL1HVyuEZ0WcAnJh2HBt H3UPxhFVz72zT1LkZaFiByrQG6l/B1hsZAerfUXE0Y1rESLW9+Jsu5eZvCsSqcRRdQtE 3wfw1++vpsaPkgkFKFVySuISeLq3ZRYLNmXQqxnmHaEwOgcVB9RR3LYH1zUeADrXODP0 wrCGKUG5DxMFhnybGceQavH2eExBFk3NW6YplRKaUtsWVX+oFj3egeGUXHs9FQKpYqmW zLdlXvu/ckHzD7o6EbZK4duwkaXdnBYeMkzCMVkybwRmpgf1XgBEb0104VULNdvSHVGy GNxQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GPX5dXx856+skp4CZQw774ged1jENtR7pFVbmYlsA3M=; b=sAiK5KM2aKnvs8P0/+8O3VzK477GZWZ7KHp68xoHdd8dD6wMVEMswgtN5CxWNwBcfG GPo9wd30hY85hUEdrx0lz++ZM3V5iLpWWY13eeGqlTYHsQYsUtAM2+g7I6iohJNBXRfV /ZkXxrA8I/nRwbfnwc3T4PGxqD9i2JH93etTkyUSU0DwugkmISi7t7gU2O/hRBQjdReN rbgbyY56WvwdMzYrjUzU0o2GaUVh5EMyPpmKN1devTIMwBPaem91nmd8V7KPrzedduhz ZRf9OWTHfvt59Rjoa1GqMDgHmCjof9bH9Sxjo9QEq2jiZ+3hRQuhfgeu3MXceLHtgjLj bX/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533ZwovZgQIilI02vdXv0uqkbXHIU0yGG2QSMXyY6Huhlz9F7tYT PMS4aI9lflbNxV71etUXlcohlg5dusMbJS+J8tQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxZXgKJjOHCJSwkcjDvDR5AgjecdD3ykIXCgPMDr5P1XQAnKTZAFAOS0jqVwQCtrhNwGk966dtW9KaD1CM5BjQ= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:83cf:: with SMTP id j15mr10046455pfn.251.1596757312156; Thu, 06 Aug 2020 16:41:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200806160908.GR10778@mcvoy.com> <20200806162401.GS10778@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20200806162401.GS10778@mcvoy.com> From: Adam Thornton Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 16:41:41 -0700 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006237b305ac3e0805" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Debugging help sought X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000006237b305ac3e0805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Here's the output of "size," which doesn't tell me much....I think. Unless in v7 data has to be under 32K rather than 64K? Surely not, right? (The data segment is 32K of main memory for FORTH, plus some for the startup Forth script, plus a bit for the line buffer and some miscellaneous pointer variables.) $ size forth.o 7580+34034+0 = 41614b = 0121216b On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:24 AM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 12:19:49PM -0400, Paul Winalski wrote: > > On 8/6/20, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > > > Isn't Adam working on v7? If so, not so great error messages are > > > sort of understood, it was early times. They got better. > > > > > Unix *was* a research project in those days, wasn't it? It's easy to > > forget that these days. > > I think we also sometimes forget how small 64K was. Terseness wasn't > a choice. > --0000000000006237b305ac3e0805 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here's the output of "size," which does= n't tell me much....I think.=C2=A0 Unless in v7 data has to be under 32= K rather than 64K?=C2=A0 Surely not, right?=C2=A0 (The data segment is 32K = of main memory for FORTH, plus some for the startup Forth script, plus a bi= t for the line buffer and some miscellaneous pointer variables.)
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$ size forth.o
7580+34034+0 =3D 41614b =3D 0121216b
On T= hu, Aug 6, 2020 at 9:24 AM Larry McVoy <= lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 12:19:49PM -0400, Paul Winalski wrote:<= br> > On 8/6/20, Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> >
> > Isn't Adam working on v7?=C2=A0 If so, not so great error mes= sages are
> > sort of understood, it was early times.=C2=A0 They got better. > >
> Unix *was* a research project in those days, wasn't it?=C2=A0 It&#= 39;s easy to
> forget that these days.

I think we also sometimes forget how small 64K was.=C2=A0 Terseness wasn= 9;t
a choice.
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