From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id db5ef5bf for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 04:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CD31194721; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:53:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CD693D09; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:53:00 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="rhU04mAR"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BFBCB93D09; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:52:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f43.google.com (mail-ot1-f43.google.com [209.85.210.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4643493D08 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:52:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f43.google.com with SMTP id m97so7265022otm.12 for ; Fri, 09 Aug 2019 21:52:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=C5Xyx7OmBBkorgL/e6Mf+vhYoi/d7PJvExM9WuwZiRU=; b=rhU04mARX77q/qCq9kfjgXsUKmugo8LWTO+xuL9FKRPSd/kNEPzxOTmjoeRWSols6v aYqNgHBmOIuq+Memm1ui/r+HEHWYQZViaSZRFeXgvp7q31wnMq5zsPmfbgmm0GaP7MX5 dDL2FIXFwY1AfW8WShgLvEG7KVxH1WjhUdemi12RPyFsNxdG+yv0Gddol1gWnsmJIRF2 AwpygmE07MgwvgmnVFmXkTFX89R4b7lgs5kR9q3HIZAcWD/IO3/4qeve0bjGOMxJf1T5 rzUlP8q+14Z6iZhTVwVP4GrW1VzaIS/lH6heZd4lWAo5pY0HBbvC7x8ZZyMv42QbEzut jSOg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=C5Xyx7OmBBkorgL/e6Mf+vhYoi/d7PJvExM9WuwZiRU=; b=C27hG23aKMhTu1Q/w75fRN51/XkK2waNB+cid4lQe2bGc7aOv8fqAm0fPQtb6oHaMM MQ9vaGgVLzrHftWzmEDMc9u19h6zv9mnonwLdOlkS/lj4fY2rpdaZz8Br7BahiIw6Jeg TYlopf3oSB1WLYVCgBhI3VHkit1t6Ui27APo+2nyIMwU0CU0Cq/vm8mm+5XmDkfyRaD2 h+MQrjod3SJynL+4WSKVvoFH7pOM22oDWzmXL2AluQtayqc47sZajb3Vr9yI7y8e4TFc bNvP6AuuSO/gdZIVFY2nQDQZh6cBAZocvxZLJXfY9BdU7oTSmRpGCI3RWY64YH3TxvRw QMSg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXU77HMrZ7VBbU42IXlnsqeBWj0XOIS3zzFUjqR8nPs/Yk4gK4/ r9eemA8jxQNUMtPe6np1P/eZCQR17h1fuNHCYuOB/Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxRZn8XjnhKoaKDq5kIeAxBRmeJ60mMhjeHqzO1uBhKum0+uYcdziu9Chs/OG6cYfQ/qXXpdAcbV2xB7JjU288= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:15c4:: with SMTP id j4mr19247552otr.115.1565412778370; Fri, 09 Aug 2019 21:52:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7236c9d4-40af-bc49-8aee-5c32d869d2eb@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <20190808133124.GA3340@mit.edu> <20190810002308.GB8368@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Thornton Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 21:52:47 -0700 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000094e9f7058fbc10f6" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Pre-init initialization X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000094e9f7058fbc10f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" MCA support came pretty late, so that's not terribly surprising. As did booting-from CD-ROM, for that matter. I think I remember a fairly long period where the CD-ROM hung off the SoundBlaster, not the IDE bus. Adam On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:22 PM Kevin Bowling wrote: > Yup I remember doing a boot/root floppies with Slackware as late as the > early 2000s on an IBM PS/2 Model 95. > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:29 PM Grant Taylor via TUHS > wrote: > >> On 8/9/19 6:23 PM, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: >> > In '95, Slackware started releasing on CD-ROM's, and while there may >> > have been boot/root floppies, I suspect more and more they were used as >> > rescue media, since installing from a CD-ROM was *way* more convenient. >> >> The boot & root floppies were how you booted Slackware for a long time. >> The CD-ROM was unbootable for quite a while. You booted off of floppy >> and the installation scripts would ask you which drive had the CD-ROM in >> it to mount and install from. >> >> > I'm guesing what you were doing was creating a kernel plus initramfs >> > which was sufficient to mount a root file system elsewhere as an >> > emergency "boot this failsafe kernel off the floppy", perhaps? >> > I don't think a kernel+initramfs on a single 1.44MB floppy would >> > have been sufficient for use as an install medium by '99. Or were >> > you making an emergency USB thumb-drive as a rescue device, maybe? >> >> It was a re-roll of the above boot & root disk set. It was not rescue >> media per-say. Though the standard boot & root disk set did get used >> for rescue purposes in addition to installation. >> >> >> >> -- >> Grant. . . . >> unix || die >> >> --00000000000094e9f7058fbc10f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MCA support came pretty late, so that's not terri= bly surprising.

As did booting-from CD-ROM, for th= at matter.=C2=A0 I think I remember a fairly long period where the CD-ROM h= ung off the SoundBlaster, not the IDE bus.

Adam

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:22 PM Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
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Yup= I remember doing a boot/root floppies with Slackware as late as the early = 2000s on an IBM PS/2 Model 95.

On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 7:29 PM Gra= nt Taylor via TUHS <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> wrote:
On 8/9/19 6:23 PM, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > In '95, Slackware started releasing on CD-ROM's, and while the= re may
> have been boot/root floppies, I suspect more and more they were used a= s
> rescue media, since installing from a CD-ROM was *way* more convenient= .

The boot & root floppies were how you booted Slackware for a long time.=
The CD-ROM was unbootable for quite a while.=C2=A0 You booted off of floppy=
and the installation scripts would ask you which drive had the CD-ROM in it to mount and install from.

> I'm guesing what you were doing was creating a kernel plus initram= fs
> which was sufficient to mount a root file system elsewhere as an
> emergency "boot this failsafe kernel off the floppy", perhap= s?
> I don't think a kernel+initramfs on a single 1.44MB floppy would <= br> > have been sufficient for use as an install medium by '99.=C2=A0 Or= were
> you making an emergency USB thumb-drive as a rescue device, maybe?

It was a re-roll of the above boot & root disk set.=C2=A0 It was not re= scue
media per-say.=C2=A0 Though the standard boot & root disk set did get u= sed
for rescue purposes in addition to installation.



--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

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