From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b18c1b52 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 24B959B9B2; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 03:48:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09CC93D9F; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 03:47:33 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="l8cOtxmH"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 394A993D9F; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 03:47:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f179.google.com (mail-oi1-f179.google.com [209.85.167.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 269C293D30 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2019 03:47:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f179.google.com with SMTP id w79so10977322oif.10 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:47:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hFtk3DmKygcEUMJa2ZDZuPgzjy2SC4/hhnik+bZapLI=; b=l8cOtxmHy6HY13n1jwiB1sXHUvJXymnXmkcDpUFLmb3RVZznKk5vMnw+0iYLrePyrO C/Sv2Suk3yu8EmMsj/aqZfRZLRUy3W3MazziP5m3s0O5bnCGE2kPTuf+QIoTgAr9j/kV 1sUQi3sdgWfH997d9LA1PfcR6lxoqFlx5YckALwlyuSotWoyW7F1/24ViPsy+WyD3nrN ZMlR92Ld0TmBqHC9RDsqkGJi8e3eVnv/UOfX5qeBIaIP6ItHUQwR8ach/T/XVRMdZYm6 elIAjp7PVJqv6vGH+OiZSty5A15YAFTHs9Viw9U81nwSb03aOGKwMOtbMljEyzA1r80t PQiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=hFtk3DmKygcEUMJa2ZDZuPgzjy2SC4/hhnik+bZapLI=; b=QCjY0gRCJg5nk4O26xZ8ZShxB6L14fYMHFOdYEIuRl1akkhHvtOnCENG6ePXx2m0SJ 7ZhTxHxzgQeXSsKM5q8O4Inbyewt3k2PDeCg/HtTQRw+wsdTFM3lN9HZLurZdVQsEDxY 2tfCEngxWjM+CIQaBbdeRE2tPjg3ZfSFqr59H5S+46mn4jiNNnLpoatk3/Cq/97wz5xt lMvyO+MHLnwM+cCduppJ2HyDszogdTTD949aMRJq6IKOil/zldcx1HXawM5R/1E3v+QQ jKEkpVnixm7JFGvwaPmiGb4jKz/ktrsGoa7mFDY145z7j41RchQ+hvURaU3H0NqLGap4 T1gA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVwhjCRtIcAVIpDfS9Rc+91JMMtdJA+dgP6EZBql9MvEiUiN5jJ CF4LFkvsyLjOwhZNpg6oQAl9iiuJJdC3DEwYpoYG0gE3/lE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw7jNIU7pLs3YhJclf91rLvv1MvTm8qhsMIVS1MVxvvr15bW6ri5vS6v2gxqDNHcPmwkKj5bpESfbslwAhugYM= X-Received: by 2002:aca:338a:: with SMTP id z132mr11613605oiz.54.1563126448882; Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:47:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <84e9babd-f83c-a4b6-382f-4e6780e91dfb@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Thornton Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:47:17 -0700 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b98804058da7bcb5" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Thanks for Virtuallyfun! (was Re: Happy birthday, 386BSD!) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000b98804058da7bcb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Jason Stevens jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com via outdoorexpressionslimited.onmicrosoft.com wrote: > 1988-1993 was so incredibly pivotal, much more than say 2014-2019. I wonder if we will ever see such a powerful window of change like that ever again. We did but no one was paying attention. It was 2007-2010. The iPhone and Android were introduced, and the computing world went from an Intel-architecture monopoly (which it had pretty much become by 2005) to an Intel/ARM duopoly (because Intel and AMD focused too much on performance and not enough on making a low-power implementation of the architecture; an Intel-compatible chip *could* have won the mobile wars, but didn't). In the next couple years iPhone and Android (both on ARM) massacred all of the mobile competition. That also meant that the underlying OS for mobile devices became, you guessed it, Unix (or at least something that smells a lot like it). Which is weird, given that something designed for single-threaded composible text-filtering operations is now running almost all of the world's multithreaded user-facing graphical applications, but that's the vagaries of history for you. Adam On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:08 AM Jason Stevens < jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote: > It's always nice to get such nice fan mail. Ever since the early days of > SIMH and PUPS I've been a fan of the idea of being able to help others > discover and run ancient Unix. > > It's amazing how fast things moved when looking back at the 5 years after > the wide stream adoption of the 80386, and how many things have risen and > fallen in that time period, how many failed to only come back and win. > > 1988-1993 was so incredibly pivotal, much more than say 2014-2019. I > wonder if we will ever see such a powerful window of change like that ever > again. > > Definitely a happy birthday to 386BSD! > > > From: Michael Huff > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 4:18 PM > Subject: [TUHS] Thanks for Virtuallyfun! (was Re: Happy birthday, 386BSD!) > To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org > > > Hi > Personally, I'm very grateful for the amount of time you've spent not > simply finding and posting the things you do (this, cmu mach, the BSD and > Unix stuff) but also the blog entries you write that spell out the steps > you take to get it all running. > As someone who came along much later (slackware 3.5?, freebsd > 2.2-something) but has a lot of interest/curiosity about what the older > days were like it's very helpful and illuminating. > Oh! ...and of course, Happy Birthday 386BSD! > Regards, > -a Virtuallyfun fan/reader > On 7/13/2019 10:53 PM, Jason Stevens wrote: > Getting this to build was such a tremendous effort. Although last time I > revisited my 386BSD 0.0 work even under emulation it ran too fast and had > issues. > > But it's really a tremendous effort what Bill and Lynne had done, by > pushing out not only a running version of Net/2 but a self hosting version > of Net/2 for the lowly and utterly common and commodity 386. > > Its a shame the BSDSS and later N2SS from CMU (ports of 4.4 / Net/2) to > Mach 3. But that USL vs BSDi/CSRG lawsuit cut short what should have the > shot heard around the world moment. > > It was shockingly hard to chase down 386BSD 0.0 just as it was to find > NetBSD 0.8 and 0.9 > > Im just sad I was in the dark about BSD at that time, all the Unix people > I knew hid behind their RS/6000s and SUN workstations while me and all my > peers were all all running Linux. > > But there is nothing like the feeling of running make world, or building a > custom kernel when compared to just running a binary set. > > Since 0.1 is more capable, here is a download for Windows users for it > ready to run. > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/bsd42/files/4BSD%20under%20Windows/v0.4/386BSD-0.1.exe/download > > > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 1:57 PM +0800, "Dave Horsfall" > wrote: > > 386BSD was released on this day in 1992, when William and Lynne Jolitz > started the Open Source movement; well, that's what my notes say, and > corrections are welcome (I know that Gilmore likes to take credit for just > about everything). -- Dave > > > > --000000000000b98804058da7bcb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 1988-1993 was so incredibly pivot= al, much more than say 2014-2019.=C2=A0 I=20 wonder if we will ever see such a powerful window of change like that=20 ever again.

We did but no one was paying atte= ntion.=C2=A0 It was 2007-2010.=C2=A0 The iPhone and Android were introduced= , and the computing world went from an Intel-architecture monopoly (which i= t had pretty much become by 2005) to an Intel/ARM duopoly (because Intel an= d AMD focused too much on performance and not enough on making a low-power = implementation of the architecture; an Intel-compatible chip *could* have w= on the mobile wars, but didn't).=C2=A0 In the next couple years iPhone = and Android (both on ARM) massacred all of the mobile competition.

That also meant that the underlying OS for mobile devi= ces became, you guessed it, Unix (or at least something that smells a lot l= ike it).=C2=A0 Which is weird, given that something designed for single-thr= eaded composible text-filtering operations is now running almost all of the= world's multithreaded user-facing graphical applications, but that'= ;s the vagaries of history for you.

Adam
=

= On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:08 AM Jason Stevens <jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
<= /div>
It's always nice to get such nice fan mail.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Ever since the early days of SIMH and PUPS I've been a fan of th= e idea of being able to help others discover and run ancient Unix.

It's amazing how fast things mo= ved when looking back at the 5 years after the wide stream adoption of the = 80386, and how many things have risen and fallen in that time period, how m= any failed to only come back and win.

1988-1993 was so incredibly pivotal= , much more than say 2014-2019.=C2=A0 I wonder if we will ever see such a p= owerful window of change like that ever again.

Definitely a happy birthday to 386B= SD!


From: Michael Huff
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 4:18 PM
Subject: [TUHS] Thanks for Virtuall= yfun! (was Re:=C2=A0 Happy birthday, 386BSD!)
Hi
Personally, I'm very grateful f= or the amount of time you've spent not simply finding and posting the t= hings you do (this, cmu mach, the BSD and Unix stuff) but also the blog ent= ries you write that spell out the steps you take to get it all running.
As someone who came along much late= r (slackware 3.5?, freebsd 2.2-something) but has a lot of interest/curiosi= ty about what the older days were like it's very helpful and illuminati= ng.
Oh! ...and of course, Happy Birthda= y 386BSD!
Regards,
-a Virtuallyfun fan/reader
On 7/13/2019 10:53 PM, Jason Steven= s wrote:
Getting this to build was such a tr= emendous effort.=C2=A0 Although last time I revisited my 386BSD 0.0 work ev= en under emulation it ran too fast and had issues.

But it's really a tremendous ef= fort what Bill and Lynne had done, by pushing out not only a running versio= n of Net/2 but a self hosting version of Net/2 for the lowly and utterly co= mmon and commodity 386.

Its a shame the BSDSS and later N2S= S from CMU (ports of 4.4 / Net/2) to Mach 3.=C2=A0 But that USL vs BSDi/CSR= G lawsuit cut short what should have the shot heard around the world moment= .

It was shockingly hard to chase dow= n 386BSD=C2=A0 0.0 just as it was to find NetBSD 0.8 and 0.9

Im just sad I was in the dark about= BSD at that time, all the Unix people I knew hid behind their RS/6000s and= SUN workstations while me and all my peers were all all running Linux.
But there is nothing like the feeli= ng of running make world, or building a custom kernel when compared to just= running a binary set.

Since 0.1 is more capable, here is = a download for Windows users for it ready to run.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 1:57 PM +08= 00, "Dave Horsfall" <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:

386BSD wa= s released on this day in 1992, when William and Lynne Jolitz started the O= pen Source movement; well, that's what my notes say, and corrections ar= e welcome (I know that Gilmore likes to take credit for just about everythi= ng). -- Dave


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