From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9102 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2023 00:19:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Aug 2023 00:19:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C29041CA2; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:19:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ej1-x62c.google.com (mail-ej1-x62c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62c]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17E8C41CA1 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:19:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ej1-x62c.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-99c47ef365cso210619266b.0 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:19:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691108361; x=1691713161; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Vzv+wstDAmrL5Xqgprpvk6rnOK2wftU6bIOqAlgBegg=; b=inPo6OCkceZ9aT0gZ1zCVO+qTkx+Wzis8505CYm3RjPA8P9m1kLw6TAVfxanCvPHog Xhj3noLvIZCEh4v5GeP3oRJ6lExChkqzBBJ0Pm3CCevx8d5upETrDhJlHbQk+O0HP6rI 93Va8G72ihtDzBsQUab+TUeCTSEIW4ybTh6Aj1bh7Lh3Ffg/OK/z238CNZD1q9+8b46L aw6okSGPwqH5ZlhN2dgCYZbqgBqbvQK/FqUvr+GhPUBP7K00wK5bFHSwxfu7OW6m+yxP wnWJK3C6ZJ4gRAbJq7Ls5Wa2Z+6UQd3Vu4VDBU4VK5KG6+zk9Fk8MvHacm6Cmzh55cbG LFEg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691108361; x=1691713161; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Vzv+wstDAmrL5Xqgprpvk6rnOK2wftU6bIOqAlgBegg=; b=ZRHIZGDr9vEhshJBgnhWU4HvZ+BZardO+UL/mllC6kPApC5zUdmTUz90yd9A6JIEAy h7aZ+yQoTUaNG/GOYYJEQ+kZ1vNCIGo/MZsLFuUwdy9hnrgrT4UYacAb/0fP44VOuMMj 6jz+vH91Ngcz4JLaEDVwjmh7+6TYTgrnIXq/rTVVREDPOT1OLtbqDuqabP4Gh40hR4vM nRdhHh6Izp9badCPqDzIaZFOMteU+FHjivHapT9Qg54A36NXGLgwW0GfH6cGZHB6TAfg riWGkC9Q8D4+bPhavAxgI9v+OMcV8Ou3LwKLEtxCpZx1HCidFA3cvjO9fFKsK+oxr6XF eG7A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzoW2H0tPZCSz3uYY/vR7ghfJPXHlXoRHSCckwbGVc+l3uqSqcZ osj/EFRnfFEoAO5BY7wa9E8Iv2hIxZg2iyppSsYrGS+f X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFwS/KHZp/wtAFk/cC2tBTkbguFxOeaogGa1TocqMp6HeIpRWMGKhn5ar41yDxLef1xWIYKpn4MQHRBgTVlm3A= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d5cc:0:b0:522:586b:7db6 with SMTP id d12-20020aa7d5cc000000b00522586b7db6mr246547eds.34.1691108361178; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:19:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Adam Thornton Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:19:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: Will Senn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000025146a06020dd966" Message-ID-Hash: 44C7DW7JVU6U53DU7BEZRIZERYB6Y4ML X-Message-ID-Hash: 44C7DW7JVU6U53DU7BEZRIZERYB6Y4ML X-MailFrom: athornton@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: emacs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000025146a06020dd966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are certainly teco implementations for Unix, although I don't know if it was ever anyone's default editor anywhere. Indeed, there are multiple implementations: I switched from a C teco implementation to pyteco in the Rubin Science Platform JupyterLab implementation (its utility is of course dubious, but this is part of both my nefarious plan to make Jupyter not merely mean "Julia, Python, and R", but to use that "e" -- and reassociate it with the "t" -- by making it mean "Julia, Python, Teco, and R", and also to include an easter egg for a fellow project member who is a teco fan). The first Emacs I used was GNU emacs at already version...16 or something? In 1989, on ... I don't remember what the main system I used at the UT Austin Chaos Lab was, actually; we had an SGI Iris, but that wasn't the machine I did my editing on. But by 1989 it was certainly well-available and established. On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:04=E2=80=AFPM Will Senn wrot= e: > As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs, > but lately I've been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting > lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently > went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I > used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation a= s > a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you > with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of > which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff. > > My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it a > full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some > other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix? > > Will > --00000000000025146a06020dd966 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are certainly teco implementations for Unix, al= though I don't know if it was ever anyone's default editor anywhere= .=C2=A0 Indeed, there are multiple implementations: I switched from a C tec= o implementation to pyteco in the Rubin Science Platform JupyterLab impleme= ntation (its utility is of course dubious, but this is part of both my nefa= rious plan to make Jupyter not merely mean "Julia, Python, and R"= , but to use that "e" -- and reassociate it with the "t"= ; -- by making it mean "Julia, Python, Teco, and R", and also to = include an easter egg for a fellow project member who is a teco fan).
The first Emacs I used was GNU emacs at already version...16 or som= ething?=C2=A0 In 1989, on ... I don't remember what the main system I u= sed at the UT Austin Chaos Lab was, actually; we had an SGI Iris, but that = wasn't the machine I did my editing on.=C2=A0 But by 1989 it was certai= nly well-available and established.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:04=E2=80=AF= PM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com= > wrote:
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As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs, but lately I= 9;ve been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation as a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff.

My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it a full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix?

Will
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