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From: Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com>
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] a book (was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:58:21 -0700
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I...have never been all that impressed with Salus's work.  It's not _bad_
but it's also not terribly insightful.

I'm not volunteering to do better, though.  At least not until after I find
out whose job it is to be the NOAO/NCOA archivist, shout and scream until
that answer is at least "someone," and get people poking and prodding the
first-generation LSST crowd for memoirs and interviews in that golden
period after they retire and no longer have careers to worry about, and
before they die.

Maybe for the seventy-fifth anniversary.

On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM Clem cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

> Peter Salus’s book is pretty good and what he has actuate.
>
> Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not
> quite.
>
> > On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:44 PM, reed@reedmedia.net wrote:
> >
> > There needs to be a book with stuff like this. There is no Unix history
> > book that I have ever seen with the depth of information in threads like
> > this and others on TUHS.  It would be a huge project and hard to tell if
> > there would me more than just recognition and intrinsic rewards for the
> > effort -- but maybe that is enough.
> >
> > (As an example, I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours
> > researching a small subset: Berkeley Unix history. Attempted to contact
> > hundreds of historical participants. Interviewed near 100 people; most
> > by email, but some in person or by phone -- even postal mail! Building a
> > massive collection of historical data. Read over 30 physical books
> > covering very small parts of the story. Watched many videos (and notes).
> > Getting documents scanned and sent to me. It is a very detailed effort
> > -- such as a single long chapter on the Virtual Vax/UNIX / London/Reiser
> > / Babaoglu story with 168 citations or the single chapters on the
> > official unofficial patchkits, lawsuit, etc. -- and there is nothing in
> > this field to compare it too. I have over 243 bibtex entries already and
> > 215 citations left to add to my .bib file. During that time, I have
> > published six other books, some written from scratch. Some have
> > suggested I use Kickstarter or similar as a financial incentive to
> > finish it off.)
> >
> > Since the Unix story is so huge, a first volume could be up through
> > System III, for example, but maybe that is too much.
> >
> > Anyone know of anyone writing a thorough Unix history book?
> >
> > Does it make sense to use a kickstarter?
> >
> > I may bring up in a different thread, but I am presenting about Unix
> > history at Dallas Ft. Worth UNIX Users Group soon. They are planning to
> > have two meetings (different months) dedicated to the history (50th
> > anniversary).
> >
> > Jeremy C. Reed
> >
> > p.s. Sorry to mention this, but time is running out:
> >
> > $ grep -i decease /home/reed/book/bsd-history/PEOPLE | wc -l
> >      17
> >
> > pps. My other chapters:
> >
> > beginning.tex:\chapter{In the beginning ...}
> >
> > 2bsd.tex:\chapter{Second Berkeley Software Tape}
> >
> > 3bsd.tex:\chapter{Welcome to Virtual Vax/UNIX}
> >
> > 2bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{2BSD becomes an operating system}
> >
> > 4bsd.tex:\chapter{4BSD}
> >
> > 43bsd.tex:\chapter{4.3BSD -- The Internet Server}
> >
> > 2bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{The 16-bit 2BSD continues}
> >
> > 43bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{To open source BSD}
> >
> > commercial.tex:\chapter{Commercial Unixes using BSD}
> >
> > 44bsd.tex:\chapter{4.4BSD}
> >
> > bsdi.tex:\chapter{BSDI}
> >
> > 386bsd.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 1}
> >
> > lawsuit.tex:\chapter{Lawsuit}
> >
> > patchkit.tex:\chapter{The official unofficial patchkits}
> >
> > netbsd.tex:\chapter{NetBSD}
> >
> > freebsd.tex:\chapter{FreeBSD}
> >
> > 386bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 2}
> >
> > bsdi-part2.tex:\chapter{BSDI part 2}
> >
> > openbsd.tex:\chapter{OpenBSD}
> >
> > netbsd-part2.tex:\chapter{NetBSD -- Part 2}
> >
> > dragonfly.tex:\chapter{DragonFly BSD}
> >
> > 3bsd-license.tex:\chapter{3BSD Software Agreement (1979)}
> >
> > 4bsd-license.tex:\chapter{4BSD Software Agreement (1980)}
> >
> >
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> > echo Ohl zl obbx uggc://errqzrqvn.arg/obbxf/csfrafr/ | \
> > tr "Onoqrsuvxzabcefghl" "Babdefhikmnoprstuy"
>

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<div dir="ltr"><div>I...have never been all that impressed with Salus&#39;s work.  It&#39;s not _bad_ but it&#39;s also not terribly insightful.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m not volunteering to do better, though.  At least not until after I find out whose job it is to be the NOAO/NCOA archivist, shout and scream until that answer is at least &quot;someone,&quot; and get people poking and prodding the first-generation LSST crowd for memoirs and interviews in that golden period after they retire and no longer have careers to worry about, and before they die.  <br></div><div><br></div><div>Maybe for the seventy-fifth anniversary.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM Clem cole &lt;<a href="mailto:clemc@ccc.com">clemc@ccc.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Peter Salus’s book is pretty good and what he has actuate.  <br>
<br>
Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite. <br>
<br>
&gt; On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:44 PM, <a href="mailto:reed@reedmedia.net" target="_blank">reed@reedmedia.net</a> wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; There needs to be a book with stuff like this. There is no Unix history <br>
&gt; book that I have ever seen with the depth of information in threads like <br>
&gt; this and others on TUHS.  It would be a huge project and hard to tell if <br>
&gt; there would me more than just recognition and intrinsic rewards for the <br>
&gt; effort -- but maybe that is enough.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; (As an example, I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours <br>
&gt; researching a small subset: Berkeley Unix history. Attempted to contact <br>
&gt; hundreds of historical participants. Interviewed near 100 people; most <br>
&gt; by email, but some in person or by phone -- even postal mail! Building a <br>
&gt; massive collection of historical data. Read over 30 physical books <br>
&gt; covering very small parts of the story. Watched many videos (and notes). <br>
&gt; Getting documents scanned and sent to me. It is a very detailed effort <br>
&gt; -- such as a single long chapter on the Virtual Vax/UNIX / London/Reiser <br>
&gt; / Babaoglu story with 168 citations or the single chapters on the <br>
&gt; official unofficial patchkits, lawsuit, etc. -- and there is nothing in <br>
&gt; this field to compare it too. I have over 243 bibtex entries already and <br>
&gt; 215 citations left to add to my .bib file. During that time, I have <br>
&gt; published six other books, some written from scratch. Some have <br>
&gt; suggested I use Kickstarter or similar as a financial incentive to <br>
&gt; finish it off.)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Since the Unix story is so huge, a first volume could be up through <br>
&gt; System III, for example, but maybe that is too much.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Anyone know of anyone writing a thorough Unix history book?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Does it make sense to use a kickstarter?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I may bring up in a different thread, but I am presenting about Unix <br>
&gt; history at Dallas Ft. Worth UNIX Users Group soon. They are planning to <br>
&gt; have two meetings (different months) dedicated to the history (50th <br>
&gt; anniversary).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Jeremy C. Reed<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; p.s. Sorry to mention this, but time is running out:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; $ grep -i decease /home/reed/book/bsd-history/PEOPLE | wc -l <br>
&gt;      17<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; pps. My other chapters:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; beginning.tex:\chapter{In the beginning ...}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 2bsd.tex:\chapter{Second Berkeley Software Tape}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 3bsd.tex:\chapter{Welcome to Virtual Vax/UNIX}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 2bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{2BSD becomes an operating system}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 4bsd.tex:\chapter{4BSD}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 43bsd.tex:\chapter{4.3BSD -- The Internet Server}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 2bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{The 16-bit 2BSD continues}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 43bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{To open source BSD}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; commercial.tex:\chapter{Commercial Unixes using BSD}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 44bsd.tex:\chapter{4.4BSD}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; bsdi.tex:\chapter{BSDI}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 386bsd.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 1}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; lawsuit.tex:\chapter{Lawsuit}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; patchkit.tex:\chapter{The official unofficial patchkits}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; netbsd.tex:\chapter{NetBSD}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; freebsd.tex:\chapter{FreeBSD}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 386bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 2}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; bsdi-part2.tex:\chapter{BSDI part 2}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; openbsd.tex:\chapter{OpenBSD}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; netbsd-part2.tex:\chapter{NetBSD -- Part 2}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; dragonfly.tex:\chapter{DragonFly BSD}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 3bsd-license.tex:\chapter{3BSD Software Agreement (1979)}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 4bsd-license.tex:\chapter{4BSD Software Agreement (1980)}<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----------------------<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; echo Ohl zl obbx uggc://errqzrqvn.arg/obbxf/csfrafr/ | \<br>
&gt; tr &quot;Onoqrsuvxzabcefghl&quot; &quot;Babdefhikmnoprstuy&quot;<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-09  6:25 [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS Warner Losh
2019-09-09  6:36 ` arnold
2019-09-10 15:16 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11  0:28   ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11  3:53   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-11 15:36     ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 16:55       ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was " Charles H Sauer
2019-09-12 19:31         ` Kevin Bowling
2019-09-12 20:59           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-12 21:09             ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses - Series/1 NUXI Ronald Natalie
2019-09-12 21:31             ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS Warner Losh
2019-09-12 22:30             ` jcs
2019-09-12 23:12               ` reed
2019-09-12 23:22                 ` jcs
2019-09-12 23:29               ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses Warren Toomey
2019-09-13  7:06                 ` arnold
2019-09-13  8:30                 ` SPC
2019-09-14 18:29                   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-12 21:29           ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS Charles H Sauer
2019-09-11 17:49       ` [TUHS] " Richard Salz
2019-09-11 17:52         ` ron
2019-09-11 21:44           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 18:11       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-11 18:18         ` Richard Salz
2019-09-11 18:54           ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-11 21:05             ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11 21:34             ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11 21:57             ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 22:50               ` Arthur Krewat
2019-09-11 21:59           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 21:50         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 22:49         ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-12  3:43           ` [TUHS] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-12  4:20             ` George Michaelson
2019-09-12  4:31               ` [TUHS] [SPAM] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-12 13:44                 ` Tony Finch
2019-09-13  4:11                   ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13  5:54                     ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-13  8:00                       ` Peter Jeremy
2019-09-13 15:23                         ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13 21:36                         ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-12  4:28             ` [TUHS] SCCS Jon Forrest
2019-09-12  4:33               ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-12  6:12                 ` William Corcoran
2019-09-12 14:35                   ` Clem Cole
2019-09-13  5:22                 ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-13  5:50                   ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-12 16:45               ` Eric Allman
2019-09-12 17:29                 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-12 17:47                   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-13  8:12                   ` emanuel stiebler
2019-09-13 21:11                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-13 21:17                       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13 21:48                         ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-13 23:12                           ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-13 23:03                         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-14  1:55                           ` [TUHS] [SPAM] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 17:23                             ` [TUHS] SCCS Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-16 20:31                               ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-17 17:57                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-18  8:48                               ` Eric Allman
2019-09-18 17:33                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-12 20:07             ` Nemo
2019-09-11 16:05   ` [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS Paul Winalski
2019-09-11 17:14     ` ron
2019-09-14  0:44   ` [TUHS] a book (was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS) reed
2019-09-14  2:53     ` Warner Losh
2019-09-15  2:18       ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15  2:39         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15  3:24         ` Adam Thornton
2019-09-14 22:46     ` Clem cole
2019-09-15  0:58       ` Adam Thornton [this message]
2019-09-15  3:30         ` Eric Allman
2019-09-15  4:21           ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-15  5:17             ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15 20:14               ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 20:21                 ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15 20:12           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 21:28             ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-15 23:27               ` Clem cole
2019-09-15 23:45                 ` Richard Salz
2019-09-15  7:43     ` Andy Kosela

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