From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id f007f6c0 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 00:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 802FD9B934; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 10:59:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA59D9478E; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 10:58:37 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="pJmnDPGV"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CF1459478E; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 10:58:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f51.google.com (mail-ot1-f51.google.com [209.85.210.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCFDE93D23 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 10:58:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f51.google.com with SMTP id b2so32652822otq.10 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cGp9Q4xT8Nt9t9P3ckINvWGvrn5DNsmoxwl8YsXAY4k=; b=pJmnDPGVTIxVRhGzK90s0KRobb/TeRRLvggvQ7K26IqnkQ6uOQWzOQ3dmmt4fpCxc+ e3Jv/2OtvAdbfrhX3cgAtpnvJH7Qy0uZWbyLeLT/K5ZCvqbPC8RkGAQTddw0/qSG5zIT hIaWaC+g/XZSFxnl4ZGpmbn93vJ1fgY6hNbI4uBdMyPFusOebeGk3ZhCKP5MnY4UDcUV 6j37ecs6cNfpTrj0T5FJF8mzOlFK7EOZWPqtEV6lJHUo/NppnY31CaEjryF0Ofv/qSm+ RTflRfD1mtOaz5I/BT4GhA8cKVKqE2VEoAJRMroAFtptHUBmtuJcD2jzZQ+ipTMSqYz1 zsHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=cGp9Q4xT8Nt9t9P3ckINvWGvrn5DNsmoxwl8YsXAY4k=; b=B5is8b37iOPsSAIhZ8FnB/VYVa99Pqtf3jA2VgqDUD6n4Vl0wcuA6hCk1/rm40GSIZ KJyQxMopZFyvitUt6LXeYBmzf5M994nPNcBhC+humxl95hBeXNxeRr7kvixGU+QjZsIm V2e7Z0vkqA2EWFxwJqMdxMe5UXXXpId2cJV5aggWQDx08Q7KeIJfwoVfrT9bz/71azwz 4tGotOoMRKgkPD00yUHSz2lEQLXuJbRdWMV+kSbbA+sAJv8erDJGAmGNkc7zTAOkr0Mt TaNXm+SSWlnNfZ5Xy3jaOv3i3AjOjIbWsscltySv9MyXz/wbD5n1cWkSjSwe99O+KIC6 iHJg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVSNaMN49XQKhwEuOZc2B6wrJYb97cG0fhhPj6jB+PSzh5CzR7A L2VD0RMiFv/uY7QKIZDLTZIhHaCAXbjf7HxlXxcSHJdU X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwTfg6QI+qfWoIICdUmhpY15R9D+E+QWgBnQt7vR921HHQVEzZVp9CSBokL+SYULfvg0uTeXliUJGVFAcb/SoI= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6405:: with SMTP id h5mr469803otl.115.1568509112653; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:58:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Adam Thornton Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:58:21 -0700 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007c9d2d05928cfccd" Subject: Re: [TUHS] a book (was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000007c9d2d05928cfccd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I...have never been all that impressed with Salus's work. It's not _bad_ but it's also not terribly insightful. I'm not volunteering to do better, though. At least not until after I find out whose job it is to be the NOAO/NCOA archivist, shout and scream until that answer is at least "someone," and get people poking and prodding the first-generation LSST crowd for memoirs and interviews in that golden period after they retire and no longer have careers to worry about, and before they die. Maybe for the seventy-fifth anniversary. On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM Clem cole wrote: > Peter Salus=E2=80=99s book is pretty good and what he has actuate. > > Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not > quite. > > > On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:44 PM, reed@reedmedia.net wrote: > > > > There needs to be a book with stuff like this. There is no Unix history > > book that I have ever seen with the depth of information in threads lik= e > > this and others on TUHS. It would be a huge project and hard to tell i= f > > there would me more than just recognition and intrinsic rewards for the > > effort -- but maybe that is enough. > > > > (As an example, I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours > > researching a small subset: Berkeley Unix history. Attempted to contact > > hundreds of historical participants. Interviewed near 100 people; most > > by email, but some in person or by phone -- even postal mail! Building = a > > massive collection of historical data. Read over 30 physical books > > covering very small parts of the story. Watched many videos (and notes)= . > > Getting documents scanned and sent to me. It is a very detailed effort > > -- such as a single long chapter on the Virtual Vax/UNIX / London/Reise= r > > / Babaoglu story with 168 citations or the single chapters on the > > official unofficial patchkits, lawsuit, etc. -- and there is nothing in > > this field to compare it too. I have over 243 bibtex entries already an= d > > 215 citations left to add to my .bib file. During that time, I have > > published six other books, some written from scratch. Some have > > suggested I use Kickstarter or similar as a financial incentive to > > finish it off.) > > > > Since the Unix story is so huge, a first volume could be up through > > System III, for example, but maybe that is too much. > > > > Anyone know of anyone writing a thorough Unix history book? > > > > Does it make sense to use a kickstarter? > > > > I may bring up in a different thread, but I am presenting about Unix > > history at Dallas Ft. Worth UNIX Users Group soon. They are planning to > > have two meetings (different months) dedicated to the history (50th > > anniversary). > > > > Jeremy C. Reed > > > > p.s. Sorry to mention this, but time is running out: > > > > $ grep -i decease /home/reed/book/bsd-history/PEOPLE | wc -l > > 17 > > > > pps. My other chapters: > > > > beginning.tex:\chapter{In the beginning ...} > > > > 2bsd.tex:\chapter{Second Berkeley Software Tape} > > > > 3bsd.tex:\chapter{Welcome to Virtual Vax/UNIX} > > > > 2bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{2BSD becomes an operating system} > > > > 4bsd.tex:\chapter{4BSD} > > > > 43bsd.tex:\chapter{4.3BSD -- The Internet Server} > > > > 2bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{The 16-bit 2BSD continues} > > > > 43bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{To open source BSD} > > > > commercial.tex:\chapter{Commercial Unixes using BSD} > > > > 44bsd.tex:\chapter{4.4BSD} > > > > bsdi.tex:\chapter{BSDI} > > > > 386bsd.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 1} > > > > lawsuit.tex:\chapter{Lawsuit} > > > > patchkit.tex:\chapter{The official unofficial patchkits} > > > > netbsd.tex:\chapter{NetBSD} > > > > freebsd.tex:\chapter{FreeBSD} > > > > 386bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 2} > > > > bsdi-part2.tex:\chapter{BSDI part 2} > > > > openbsd.tex:\chapter{OpenBSD} > > > > netbsd-part2.tex:\chapter{NetBSD -- Part 2} > > > > dragonfly.tex:\chapter{DragonFly BSD} > > > > 3bsd-license.tex:\chapter{3BSD Software Agreement (1979)} > > > > 4bsd-license.tex:\chapter{4BSD Software Agreement (1980)} > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > echo Ohl zl obbx uggc://errqzrqvn.arg/obbxf/csfrafr/ | \ > > tr "Onoqrsuvxzabcefghl" "Babdefhikmnoprstuy" > --0000000000007c9d2d05928cfccd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I...have never been all that impressed with Salus'= ;s work.=C2=A0 It's not _bad_ but it's also not terribly insightful= .

I'm not volunteering to do better, though.= =C2=A0 At least not until after I find out whose job it is to be the NOAO/N= COA archivist, shout and scream until that answer is at least "someone= ," and get people poking and prodding the first-generation LSST crowd = for memoirs and interviews in that golden period after they retire and no l= onger have careers to worry about, and before they die.=C2=A0

Maybe for the seventy-fifth anniversary.

On Sat, Sep = 14, 2019 at 3:47 PM Clem cole <clemc@cc= c.com> wrote:
Peter Salus=E2=80=99s book is pretty good and what he has actuate.=C2= =A0

Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite= .

> On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:44 PM, reed@reedmedia.net wrote:
>
> There needs to be a book with stuff like this. There is no Unix histor= y
> book that I have ever seen with the depth of information in threads li= ke
> this and others on TUHS.=C2=A0 It would be a huge project and hard to = tell if
> there would me more than just recognition and intrinsic rewards for th= e
> effort -- but maybe that is enough.
>
> (As an example, I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours
> researching a small subset: Berkeley Unix history. Attempted to contac= t
> hundreds of historical participants. Interviewed near 100 people; most=
> by email, but some in person or by phone -- even postal mail! Building= a
> massive collection of historical data. Read over 30 physical books > covering very small parts of the story. Watched many videos (and notes= ).
> Getting documents scanned and sent to me. It is a very detailed effort=
> -- such as a single long chapter on the Virtual Vax/UNIX / London/Reis= er
> / Babaoglu story with 168 citations or the single chapters on the
> official unofficial patchkits, lawsuit, etc. -- and there is nothing i= n
> this field to compare it too. I have over 243 bibtex entries already a= nd
> 215 citations left to add to my .bib file. During that time, I have > published six other books, some written from scratch. Some have
> suggested I use Kickstarter or similar as a financial incentive to > finish it off.)
>
> Since the Unix story is so huge, a first volume could be up through > System III, for example, but maybe that is too much.
>
> Anyone know of anyone writing a thorough Unix history book?
>
> Does it make sense to use a kickstarter?
>
> I may bring up in a different thread, but I am presenting about Unix <= br> > history at Dallas Ft. Worth UNIX Users Group soon. They are planning t= o
> have two meetings (different months) dedicated to the history (50th > anniversary).
>
> Jeremy C. Reed
>
> p.s. Sorry to mention this, but time is running out:
>
> $ grep -i decease /home/reed/book/bsd-history/PEOPLE | wc -l
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 17
>
> pps. My other chapters:
>
> beginning.tex:\chapter{In the beginning ...}
>
> 2bsd.tex:\chapter{Second Berkeley Software Tape}
>
> 3bsd.tex:\chapter{Welcome to Virtual Vax/UNIX}
>
> 2bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{2BSD becomes an operating system}
>
> 4bsd.tex:\chapter{4BSD}
>
> 43bsd.tex:\chapter{4.3BSD -- The Internet Server}
>
> 2bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{The 16-bit 2BSD continues}
>
> 43bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{To open source BSD}
>
> commercial.tex:\chapter{Commercial Unixes using BSD}
>
> 44bsd.tex:\chapter{4.4BSD}
>
> bsdi.tex:\chapter{BSDI}
>
> 386bsd.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 1}
>
> lawsuit.tex:\chapter{Lawsuit}
>
> patchkit.tex:\chapter{The official unofficial patchkits}
>
> netbsd.tex:\chapter{NetBSD}
>
> freebsd.tex:\chapter{FreeBSD}
>
> 386bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 2}
>
> bsdi-part2.tex:\chapter{BSDI part 2}
>
> openbsd.tex:\chapter{OpenBSD}
>
> netbsd-part2.tex:\chapter{NetBSD -- Part 2}
>
> dragonfly.tex:\chapter{DragonFly BSD}
>
> 3bsd-license.tex:\chapter{3BSD Software Agreement (1979)}
>
> 4bsd-license.tex:\chapter{4BSD Software Agreement (1980)}
>
>
>
> -----------------------
>
> echo Ohl zl obbx uggc://errqzrqvn.arg/obbxf/csfrafr/ | \
> tr "Onoqrsuvxzabcefghl" "Babdefhikmnoprstuy"
--0000000000007c9d2d05928cfccd--