From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 8be53d97 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 23:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9C0BC9BCAB; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:37:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92209BCA9; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:36:29 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="N2Msvi+1"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C76789BCA9; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:36:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f51.google.com (mail-ot1-f51.google.com [209.85.210.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38402945FC for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:36:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f51.google.com with SMTP id r9so1739749otp.13 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:36:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=NGBZMi6wr2KoLerIdz07ZmoYfLknWkGnc1+W7BZPuEw=; b=N2Msvi+1bWjhSGl3QVFxtiy34pTdQVnEtJbEzetLldq6LpjY36v1GRyUPFRIxslcQu jgwLLY2NjIhhri2GpsZbWCdsbHgeUjCfkCOwZr4gIQ4Lx3LKVaemNWLS21J9GtBlAFFz mTZEYFUdThmkDU10OXwKp+X87VuX/WMwgLVlCove2FnOO2roHoPZcXYN9kAZ7JVtvLgr IhjsP2ZXbEeekdeZ2wwj74ndkKehVw88WWv7+nSiYODU9pMvx1upETPnYd+TuTOO1WwB qdc1TSJI2gUfhSRZir0Yu3PrDWeDV/cyk8BdhO77XTX42f6JHfe/3M1hGQyheob9ReHD 28MQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=NGBZMi6wr2KoLerIdz07ZmoYfLknWkGnc1+W7BZPuEw=; b=EIc95bzX8XTI4RCAGJ9SpJR/xnRzEnkVB7HRiqPtApO7r5bthaz6Hu8AX2BWdMHhSU yLnyKPOXi16aTIyXtTcmLotB4lZ3LuxUTYf6lai7+fIvwS2S9Fj7jrmcSBG4k/lFC0di Us2zKUKmQLfjUlOmb9mxNTXCn9cqBuzVYjpF38vdbrgH8M3nkYCxRLSohs924Q12JCiI 0ZpvgqyY5nRFzEUGxMizfqLyDJvGkjGbKR1pP1JxPDuE6Fatc7ovnY5L9R3/tjA1ZpcL LSIb+X9PsCSB2RRSE3nkHf3oXaa6M3ngcuXeScoHXmkKTlxgZfdDTwimvrFJUE4nbmPI Niuw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUL14JYo+mgF+M6M051tizf8b4dT8F8qUVEvNkbPmCZstEhE+SE Y8Bnxh/r1+TT219UhD+B7ort27UWyooHmLHFnfc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyDzDM553FcguOCzfU6MWWYC0zMrYNbHDkjEd8hOXqSMJKX5jbqY4BRloF4T0JI7IIfpVd8eGi8G3sq5uaQS7o= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1f95:: with SMTP id v21mr2102207otr.325.1578440186083; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 15:36:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200107105615.GA16081@minnie.tuhs.org> In-Reply-To: From: Adam Thornton Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 16:36:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000973f87059b953e76" Subject: Re: [TUHS] What happened with XENIX? (was Re: Unix/World Magazines) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000973f87059b953e76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hell, Linux didn't exist at all till '91. I think Xenix was more just a casualty of the Unix Wars. The victors there were SunOS/Solaris, AIX, and HP-UX. There were a bunch more walking wounded that never really achieved much market share. By the time SCO filed suit in 2003, not only were the Unix Wars fairly long over (SCO had lost), but commercial Unixes had largely been supplanted by Linux (and BSD enthusiasts had three free options, and OS X was a thing if you wanted a commercial BSD, but Apple never managed to make much in the way of inroads into the server market). Linux's ascendency happened around the turn of the millennium, as I recall, although I was using AIX at my job as late as 2010-2011, and I presume the Big Several still exist in some form or other. On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:28 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:13 PM Dave Horsfall wrote: > >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020, reed@reedmedia.net wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> > What happened with XENIX? I know it had some success (I used at least >> > one retired system with it), but nothing near the other offerings on >> the >> > PC family. >> >> I was forced to use Xenix for a contracting job (and hated it, as it was >> almost-but-not-quite-Unix, and the differences annoyed me). Wouldn't >> Linux have arrived at around that time? >> > > These mags are from 84 and 85. Linux wasn't really viable until 92 or so. > > Warner > --000000000000973f87059b953e76 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hell, Linux didn't exist at all till '91.

I think Xenix was more just a casualty of the Unix Wa= rs.=C2=A0 The victors there were SunOS/Solaris, AIX, and HP-UX.=C2=A0 There= were a bunch more walking wounded that never really achieved much market s= hare.

By the time SCO filed suit in 2003, not only= were the Unix Wars fairly long over (SCO had lost), but commercial Unixes = had largely been supplanted by Linux (and BSD enthusiasts had three free op= tions, and OS X was a thing if you wanted a commercial BSD, but Apple never= managed to make much in the way of inroads into the server market).=C2=A0 = Linux's ascendency happened around the turn of the millennium, as I rec= all, although I was using AIX at my job as late as 2010-2011, and I presume= the Big Several still exist in some form or other.

On Tue, Jan 7,= 2020 at 4:28 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdi= mp.com> wrote:


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:13 PM = Dave Horsfall <da= ve@horsfall.org> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020, reed@reedmedia.net wrote:

[...]

> What happened with XENIX?=C2=A0 I know it had some success (I used at = least
> one retired system with it), but nothing near the other offerings on t= he
> PC family.

I was forced to use Xenix for a contracting job (and hated it, as it was almost-but-not-quite-Unix, and the differences annoyed me).=C2=A0 Wouldn= 9;t
Linux have arrived at around that time?

These mags are from 84 and 85. Linux wasn't really viable until 92 or = so.=C2=A0

Warner
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