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From: Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com>
To: Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@gmail.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>, Josh Good <pepe@naleco.com>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 20:57:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP2nic3zxXSyb6y5jEqYSt1wqKP5tZTnLPrs8b6qzrwZoUcDNA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC5iaNGnWn0YyU5RLS51KJSp_5bxrk5Um2_nKKjeEa3nAxhN3w@mail.gmail.com>

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It’s possible I am conflating two conferences in my head and the NetBSD
thing was NYC not Atlanta.


On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 8:42 PM Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
> Adam? Seriously? That was the case when I visited them at one year's
> LinuxWorld. (I think it was the one when we met.) And yes at the
> System Z Council meetings I would catch up with them.
>
> Larry? It is funny, but earlier on I did mention all of that in a
> completely different thread.
>
> But why would the <DELETED!> characters at what was SCO start this
> stupidity all over again? I seem to be missing something.
> -----
> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com
> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:48 PM Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 8:54 PM Wesley Parish <wobblygong@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> So from IBM's POV, they could
> >> support Linux - which by then had already been ported to the VM/370
> >> and there was already talk of porting it to the later mainframe
> >> iterations. I don't think anybody was even thinking of porting any of
> >> the *BSD to IBM mainframes till much later, am I right?
> >
> >
> >  This is not how I remember it going down.
> >
> > There was an external-to-IBM "Bigfoot" port to S/390 (not S/370) that
> IBM was ignoring until it got alarmingly close to booting, and then all of
> a sudden there was an IBM port to S/390.  Clearly (well, *I* thought it was
> clear) they'd had a skunkworks project for some time and Bigfoot forced
> their hand.  (Unix v7 *did* run on S/370, and resurrecting that is one of
> my hobby projects that hasn't really gotten off the ground).
> >
> > I was the system administrator of the first publicly-accessible
> Linux-on-S/390 machine--penguinvm.princeton.edu--and indeed in the late 90s
> I and my mentor David Boyes met with some pretty high-level people at IBM
> to advise them how we thought they should proceed.  They seemed to take
> much of our advice, but then again I don't think we said anything very
> crazy.  (At the time, and for years thereafter, I was with Sine Nomine
> Associates.  They're still around.)
> >
> > I also later managed the port of OpenSolaris to zSeries, which, if IBM
> had bought Sun rather than Oracle, would have made my life very different.
> Neale Ferguson did most of the heavy lifting on that port, but I did a lot
> of the tool porting and wrote a disk driver.  Alas, IBM tightened the
> screws a little too far and apparently didn't know that Sun had an offer
> from Oracle in its back pocket.
> >
> > But back to the S/390 port--I went to a Linux conference in Atlanta in
> the late 90s ('99, I think) to speak about Linux on S390/Z, and I actually
> went by the NetBSD booth to say, "hey, I can maybe hook you guys up with a
> development virtual machine," and what I got was an earful about "your
> so-called portability" from someone who was clearly much more invested in
> hating Linux than in, you know, saying, "wow, OK, I realize you're not
> offering me cycles on a super-awesome machine, but, yeah, it's not nothing,
> cool, here's who you should talk to if you're interested in getting a port
> going."
> >
> > So I don't think you can lay all the blame on BSD inaction on Linux, is
> all I'm saying.  By '99, I think it was, maybe if NetBSD, which already had
> its reputation for spectacular portability, hadn't staffed its booth with a
> jackass still trying to fight the Unix Wars, that story might have turned
> out differently.
> >
> > Adam
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-04  3:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-01 14:50 Josh Good
2021-04-01 15:12 ` Warner Losh
2021-04-01 15:27   ` Josh Good
2021-04-01 15:33     ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-01 16:14       ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-01 16:26         ` John Cowan
2021-04-01 17:54       ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-04-01 16:27     ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-04-02  2:16     ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-02  3:52   ` Wesley Parish
2021-04-02  5:26     ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-02 16:03     ` Clem Cole
2021-04-02 16:11       ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-02 16:39       ` Heinz Lycklama
2021-04-02 17:14         ` Clem Cole
2021-04-02 17:17       ` [TUHS] AIX repeat [was " Charles H Sauer
2021-04-03  1:24       ` [TUHS] " Wesley Parish
2021-04-04  2:46     ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-04  2:50       ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-04  5:29         ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) G. Branden Robinson
2021-04-04 18:22           ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 20:54             ` Richard Salz
2021-04-04 21:11             ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05  0:36             ` John Cowan
2021-04-05  2:19               ` Warner Losh
2021-04-05 18:07                 ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference John Gilmore
2021-04-05 19:30                   ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05 20:34                     ` Richard Salz
2021-04-05 20:42                       ` William Cheswick
2021-04-06  4:37                       ` Ed Bradford
2021-04-05 20:39                     ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-05 21:11                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-05 21:17                         ` Dan Cross
2021-04-06 15:39                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-06  5:49                   ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-05  7:48               ` [TUHS] Whither Usenix [was How To Kill A Technical Conference] arnold
2021-04-05 14:05             ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-05 22:26               ` David Arnold
2021-04-04 23:30           ` A. P. Garcia
2021-04-04  3:41       ` [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM Gregg Levine
2021-04-04  3:57         ` Adam Thornton [this message]
2021-04-02  5:41 ` David Arnold
2021-04-02  6:09   ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02  7:00     ` arnold
2021-04-02  9:53       ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02 10:26         ` arnold
2021-04-02 14:02           ` Josh Good
2021-04-02 14:17             ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02 15:16               ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-02 15:28                 ` Fabio Scotoni
2021-04-03  1:50                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-03  1:55                   ` Warner Losh
2021-04-03  2:23                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-03  2:34                     ` Earl Baugh
2021-04-03  6:16                   ` Dan Stromberg
2021-04-04 16:18                     ` Tony Finch
2021-04-04  1:48                   ` David Arnold
2021-04-04  2:23                     ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-04  8:55                       ` Josh Good
2021-04-04 14:43                         ` Michael Parson
2021-04-04 15:36                         ` Warner Losh
2021-04-04 16:15                           ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 22:25                             ` David Arnold
2021-04-04 22:55                               ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05  2:30                                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-04 23:00                               ` Bakul Shah
2021-04-04 23:33                                 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05  1:34                                   ` Bakul Shah
2021-04-05  2:58                                     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2021-04-05 12:35                                       ` John Cowan
2021-04-05 20:44                                   ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-04 23:34                               ` Josh Good
2021-04-04 20:08                         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2021-04-04 21:00                           ` Jon Steinhart
2021-04-04 21:40                             ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 21:54                               ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2021-04-04 22:02                                 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-04-04 21:58                               ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 23:48                             ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-04 23:53                               ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-07  5:15                             ` Dan Stromberg
2021-04-05 13:37                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-07  1:52                         ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-02 15:25               ` Josh Good
2021-04-03  3:10               ` John Cowan
2021-04-02 16:40 ` Boyd Lynn Gerber

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