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Branden Robinson" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000034e87d05e091e8ed" Message-ID-Hash: YPSAABNB7LQILBRDJSOWBSL5GFY3QNGH X-Message-ID-Hash: YPSAABNB7LQILBRDJSOWBSL5GFY3QNGH X-MailFrom: bdwalton@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fwd: [simh] Announcing the Open SIMH project List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000034e87d05e091e8ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri 3 Jun 2022, 21:23 G. Branden Robinson, wrote: > At 2022-06-03T16:00:15-0400, Clem Cole wrote: > > Recently a situation has arisen that compromises some of these principl= es > > and thus the entire status of the project, creating consternation among > > many users and contributors. > > I wonder if that issue would be the one referred to here. > > https://twitter.com/the_aiju/status/1526921795139514368 > > (I understand if Clem doesn't want to directly answer that.) > > It's probably impolitic to reference that matter, and if I'm right > that's no doubt why reference to same was omitted from the announcement > email. It is traditional for such statements to be high-minded even if > they wouldn't be necessary but for the rather low conduct that compels > their issue in response. > > The above situation seems similar to others we've seen before. It's > probably even more impolitic to note that in the Debian Project, this > sort of licensing shenangians would be referred to as "pulling a J=C3=B6r= g > Schilling"[1]. > This stuck a chord for me this evening. I completely understand why such a saying would come into being, having watched things like cdrecord as a young person - I totally get the view on licenses here. But I had a chance to work with J=C3=B6rg, if only tangentially, on a project and found him to= be warm, engaging, brilliant and overall quite pleasant. I was in a unique position to connect J=C3=B6rg and Henry (yes, that Henry) to talk about som= e old Unix arcana and it was magic to witness. I hope that in addition to J=C3=B6= rg's eccentricities people also remember how neat he was as a person. He was a brilliant mind. Thanks -Ben > I expect that time will soon tell whether an even better term would be > "committing an XFree86". > > On a positive note, I'd like to express my thanks to the SIMH > contributors past and present for making it straightforward to verify > the behavior Unix V7 troff in my development work on groff. > > If Open SIMH remains dedicated to software freedom in the GNU and DFSG > senses I expect it will enjoy overwhelming support. > > Cheers, > Branden > > [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/195167/ > --00000000000034e87d05e091e8ed Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri 3 Jun 2022, 21:23 G. Branden Robinson, <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote:
At 2022-06-03T16:00:15= -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> Recently a situation has arisen that compromises some of these princip= les
> and thus the entire status of the project, creating consternation amon= g
> many users and contributors.

I wonder if that issue would be the one referred to here.

https://twitter.com/the_aiju/statu= s/1526921795139514368

(I understand if Clem doesn't want to directly answer that.)

It's probably impolitic to reference that matter, and if I'm right<= br> that's no doubt why reference to same was omitted from the announcement=
email.=C2=A0 It is traditional for such statements to be high-minded even i= f
they wouldn't be necessary but for the rather low conduct that compels<= br> their issue in response.

The above situation seems similar to others we've seen before.=C2=A0 It= 's
probably even more impolitic to note that in the Debian Project, this
sort of licensing shenangians would be referred to as "pulling a J=C3= =B6rg
Schilling"[1].

This stuck a chord for me this evening. I completely und= erstand why such a saying would come into being, having watched things like= cdrecord as a young person - I totally get the view on licenses here. But = I had a chance to work with J=C3=B6rg, if only tangentially, on a project a= nd found him to be warm, engaging, brilliant and overall quite pleasant. I = was in a unique position to connect J=C3=B6rg and Henry (yes, that Henry) t= o talk about some old Unix arcana and it was magic to witness. I hope that = in addition to J=C3=B6rg's eccentricities people also remember how neat= he was as a person. He was a brilliant mind.

Thanks
-Ben=C2=A0


I expect that time will soon tell whether an even better term would be
"committing an XFree86".

On a positive note, I'd like to express my thanks to the SIMH
contributors past and present for making it straightforward to verify
the behavior Unix V7 troff in my development work on groff.

If Open SIMH remains dedicated to software freedom in the GNU and DFSG
senses I expect it will enjoy overwhelming support.

Cheers,
Branden

[1] https://lwn.net/Articles/195167/
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