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From: ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>
To: Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com>
Cc: segaloco <segaloco@protonmail.com>,
	Andrew Lynch <lynchaj@yahoo.com>, TUHS Main List <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: most direct Unix descendant
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 11:02:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP6exY+-aNPcw+01FTiCKeiQLy+aQG4ECQM33A2V66hFqzpEFw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fe741856-0274-4a25-98b8-8823aad90d00@gmail.com>

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You could argue that the most direct descendant is the one in which all
resources are presented and accessed via open/read/write/close.

If your kernel has separate system calls for reading directories, or
setting up network connections, or debugging processes, then you may not
be a direct descendant, at least philosophically (and, yes, I know about
ptrace ...)

But your kernel might be Plan 9, which at least to me, is the direct
descendant. :-)

On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 10:51 AM Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/5/24 12:34 PM, segaloco via TUHS wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 5th, 2024 at 3:17 AM, Andrew Lynch via TUHS <
> tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Out of curiosity, what would be considered the most direct descendent
> of Unix available today?
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Thanks, Andrew Lynch
> > snip
> > Given this, my humble opinion (which again this sort of thing I believe
> is largely a philosophical matter of opinion...) is that the BSD line
> captures the spirit of Research UNIX much more than System V does, while
> System V retains much more of the source code lineage of what most folks
> would consider a "pure" UNIX.  Of course all of this too is predicated on
> treating V7 (really 32V...) as that central point of divergence.
> When I saw this thread appear, I was of two minds about it, but this
> lines up with where my thoughts were headed. I've done a lot of delving
> into the v6/v7 environments over the last 10 years or so and it feels
> much closer in kinship to BSD derivatives than to SysV... source code
> lineages aside. Also, I get more mileage out of my BSD books and docs
> than those treating SysV. I'd vote for *BSD as sticking closest to the
> unix way, if there is still such a thing... I say this as I just typed
> 'kldload linux64' into freebsd's terminal so I could run sublime
> alongside nvi... sometimes I wish I was a purist, but I'm way too fond
> of experimentation :).
>
> Will
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-05 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1324869037.1755756.1717582639424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
2024-06-05 10:17 ` [TUHS] " Andrew Lynch via TUHS
2024-06-05 10:51   ` [TUHS] " Andrew Warkentin
2024-06-05 13:46     ` Andrew Lynch via TUHS
2024-06-05 17:34   ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-05 17:51     ` Will Senn
2024-06-05 18:02       ` ron minnich [this message]
2024-06-05 23:07         ` Andrew Warkentin
2024-06-05 18:22       ` Jeffrey Joshua Rollin
2024-06-05 18:41         ` Warner Losh
2024-06-05 19:17           ` Jeffrey Joshua Rollin
2024-06-06  9:55             ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-06 19:49               ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-09  8:00                 ` Ed Bradford
2024-06-30 11:05                   ` [TUHS] syscalls, records in pipe [was: Re: most direct Unix descendant] Tomasz Rola via TUHS
2024-06-30 11:11                     ` [TUHS] " Tomasz Rola via TUHS
2024-06-09 11:34 [TUHS] Re: most direct Unix descendant Douglas McIlroy
2024-06-09 11:59 ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-09 12:31   ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-09 14:06     ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-10  5:13   ` Ed Bradford
2024-06-10  5:25     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-06-10  8:39     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-10  9:36       ` Marc Donner
2024-06-10 19:40         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-10 20:09           ` Marc Donner
2024-06-10 20:19             ` Steffen Nurpmeso

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