From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24235 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2022 15:48:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Feb 2022 15:48:38 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 210819D6C4; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 01:48:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584D99B9F3; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 01:48:12 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="li02gAXd"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B16F49B9F3; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 01:48:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f169.google.com (mail-oi1-f169.google.com [209.85.167.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E5DD9B95E for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 01:48:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f169.google.com with SMTP id r27so18253515oiw.4 for ; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 07:48:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NxklZ5NaiMF5bYUlJrbaBeKJ7BwPlUxmdyfXEQ/9Des=; b=li02gAXd9rL3bS6h0t8lQPG14nKjOslVvuaJmOaS+giaZmMNcINDUcCHIvWOQKMjpz 3c8DyJ7wIKLTvRI7xvt7GueQ6ux47hfwPDPKXNQ5v6vTIkVq/q7wFv5+2O7P1ZJg31j9 JR71+lhQYnPwFfX1w+DplA41tf485MnDLQ5z1Zp6yVSXWCXJ27k6AP6jNaTkBqqIYkbg 4CwhJq5hWPCkTH4lOQsVt8vR93nnHXQ1OkXs0E8GsqjgMBtcb975ZoQhz5HwkO1nYxiX G2N0pCVg8hGqE0/I3HSbnHA0Ww02p7EaSF8UgBlIs2YAKMpDUM9kpSAf/w9k6y62YvT0 1+zg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NxklZ5NaiMF5bYUlJrbaBeKJ7BwPlUxmdyfXEQ/9Des=; b=nY4SZuqic6Xsgx2tLnAj5CQy1P/PJf46/NnY4zMZxnbF3vUyltv/KEVKN/8pbSUqnD mMfS/1eWRW8Ml0p69IbPVOrArb9HMR2IhaOlBlMcEgvKyABz1tf9stamaqMzpNyBpS1g nEWxliTT417m20oDYmYqUjnJ/S2GcsgsXfKM8lhWONWkVLpvRULA0wSu7DL15G33uqNn 3q0/6DpOYZKNwiPCjaSPxz9Hdj9kIESauZgrNJdlhJkYyAmI/cWhyEPXCtZhp1JxZTbL AUAino2gOYeuvAzbRdCKfaSxcgv+LIVOMZKEfPAdbb9PZdGrfhyJKvsYVTF7Aucgconq Hykg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532M1C2/CHsx6qynPDOOVUa95QHiwW+Sq00qqxJCdzUaMMp26sEs RZJGS+RJw86AYLpD81LDLlT/xcDO6ToIJBQMxikphK4e X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxVOnnfw9mTUi2pGW8Q8r8zXakyzZLVXkLSWA1vHuiUci/CMtAfx2vVATmZGgDcoxjXi/Wh04u4xb6/xaeomgY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:2388:: with SMTP id bp8mr4943060oib.327.1643816888323; Wed, 02 Feb 2022 07:48:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <21873.1643776242@cesium.clock.org> In-Reply-To: From: ron minnich Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:47:57 -0800 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] CSRG at berkeley X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" that's still an amazing run for DARPA funding. I suppose that aligns with the reign of Steve Squires. On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 7:28 AM Clem Cole wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 12:31 AM ron minnich wrote: >> >> I should have asked the other question: when did DARPA funding start? > > Sort of hard to count properly. DARA funded more than just CSRG. The = first DARPA money associated with large address work was in 1980 for the Va= x version of Maxima, although there might have been some other projects bef= ore that. But the CSRG project had not (yet) started when I arrived in Fal= l of '81, although the Stanford bake-off had and 4.1BSD was on the street -= as Joy had done the FASTVAX work earlier than spring/summer. At that poin= t there were two 780s for CS in Evan Halls (Ernie and Kim). The 'Vaxima' po= rt was working and I believe that the first Franz-LISP release was out. FW= IW: The CAD group had just gotten its first in Cory which was funded by th= e DEC/HP/IBM and some of the Si manufacturers. I believe that Ingress was = still an 11/70, but I would defer to Eric on that - I'm not sure who/what w= as their funding source, although they had the original ARPAnet connection = via a VDHI to LBL, so DARPA must have been involved. The C30 IMP (for CSR= G) did not arrive in Evans until at least mid 82, I think maybe '83. > > So by 1981/82 the question of how UNIX (as a system) was going to be supp= orted for the ARPA contractors had become a ripe concern. It must have bee= n proposed by then and being negotiated. IIRC Prof Fabrey was officially= the PI for what would become CSRG, but some one like Eric or Mary Ann who = was already there before me might have more information on the politics