From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12158 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2020 05:04:33 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Dec 2020 05:04:33 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B85119C601; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 15:04:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844C09C245; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 15:03:46 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="IOL3Lqn2"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5B63C9C245; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 15:03:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f52.google.com (mail-ot1-f52.google.com [209.85.210.52]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C091C9C223 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 15:03:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f52.google.com with SMTP id o11so11013166ote.4 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 21:03:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pIcmrjF91sa0M5hyXDcBqby6moew7fRsrRXN080/Q5c=; b=IOL3Lqn2NnmkcPbcHSiEjoyCR8qISdcenlaz02U667oPEWaCaA3DekvKi0mEvsF2NS A2mIUWZZ1dL6AIP+1LLh+jyBxy9468EGwblgtUtzj+D8/SAtoFDdKWdvti79K50Agsb6 HYZrtVnQeR+BjiPG8p6u/c6Sw8wbR/j2vl5/wazk0esdPt/b6fV62c+zvMCwR65cNPbm Rbp9909xmqimcuITN2DvoS/Uxsvvn4JwYqCwCwgXYeg9JIk/9i6uWpRdXPWwwB/BAMu7 fzoSDJPYTtNJB6+Hpgo6paC0jQ0aAZdEE17oW3xKlISlbc7b1OKT4sZfx7FemMlNV38Q NP7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pIcmrjF91sa0M5hyXDcBqby6moew7fRsrRXN080/Q5c=; b=JtqwsFpP4tK9+6mz+ZAZqzjQCeqzd5853S5/9YXNYs+Sp84Q042L/JGt134TK5wyqi 1+9TGedkeOzh5tLp4AdMJAuT2YV6ezFWib24yCUrxLI7R6gGWMtbi8watAV5MAUDDCLo O1cqHTNs1HnDqgjFc2Mk1OVqXoEWR3Lpu8bf4JVEr8rcYTDg6dlLSqc0xRjZbSePLmTe 06Wf5O2oWcBENC6ccX0tzeBkVXqpUIxi6F7AK6sLMB6eXVSPKYUZSaAxd6MA4+sPmJqb vuDUeRsstIaxYwTtLWQ4PHS4cKQbaEwWHVPRUSrke0nOP1810Yxo1pYD67MH2WaUpFKA KfRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533xdKZb427JXTSB1MwkRgJmnvaR5kDux68qbCh4ZgHW1KdG00zb Km1/Aggje1OJltwddyLsyogQbNswV5YnBEUbLC6/nMgKyns= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJynuor52OPLYt5aKIlLL6WTMTM+9Gn8bWeJvG+zULrDIbhIFn4TSO+p/SzyLpAztgt7tjrzx7YeIcONKU7Gah8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:110b:: with SMTP id w11mr34590431otq.285.1609218221883; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 21:03:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: ron minnich Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 21:03:31 -0800 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007b472b05b793504f" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Which years saw the introduction of (1) #! and (2) symbolic links X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000007b472b05b793504f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable reason I asked was my memory was #! in 1978 or so. But that's now sounding like I compressed time a bit. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 6:08 PM Clem Cole wrote: > FYI: Dennis did symlinks before Joy did and it was 4.1a where they first > show up in the BSD stream > As for shebang, the idiom was recognized by the shell in user space in 1.= 0 > BSD, when the precursor to cshell (the Berkeley shell) was released - bu= t > it took a while to make it into the kernel as recognized look-a-side to b= e > more automatic. My >>memory<< is we had it in the 2BSD release, but it > might not have been added until 3BSD - look at the exec.c code in the BSD > kernels which frankly I'm too lazy tonight to do myself. > =E1=90=A7 > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:11 PM Ron Natalie wrote: > >> Symlinks came out in 4.1BSD (1981), I think. >> #! came out in 4. (1980 >> ) >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "ron minnich" >> To: "TUHS main list" >> Sent: 12/28/2020 7:30:47 PM >> Subject: [TUHS] Which years saw the introduction of (1) #! and (2) >> symbolic links >> >> >I think I remember but want to ask the experts. >> >> --0000000000007b472b05b793504f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
reason I asked was my memory was #! in 1978 or so. But tha= t's now sounding like I compressed time a bit.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 6= :08 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>= wrote:
FYI: Dennis did symlinks before Joy did and it was 4.1a where t= hey first show up in the BSD stream
As for shebang, the idiom was r= ecognized by the shell in user space in 1.0 BSD, when the precursor to cshe= ll (the Berkeley shell) was released -=C2=A0 but it took a while to make it= into the kernel as recognized look-a-side to be more automatic.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0My >>memory<<=C2=A0is we had it in the 2BSD release, but it = might not have been added until 3BSD - look at the exec.c code in the BSD k= ernels which frankly I'm too lazy tonight to do myself.
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On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:11 PM Ron Natalie <ron@ronnatalie.com&= gt; wrote:
Symli= nks came out in 4.1BSD (1981), I think.
#! came out in 4. (1980
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------ Original Message ------
From: "ron minnich" <rminnich@gmail.com>
To: "TUHS main list" <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Sent: 12/28/2020 7:30:47 PM
Subject: [TUHS] Which years saw the introduction of (1) #! and (2)
symbolic links

>I think I remember but want to ask the experts.

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