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From: ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: Marc Rochkind <mrochkind@gmail.com>, tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: SCO's "evidence" (was: RIP Darl McBride former CEO of SCO)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 17:32:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP6exY+V5nYiCN_b1Kxn49kkedcFaEiiDuAQu-nAr2zefRGh7w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241105010937.GC18296@mcvoy.com>

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I had people relate to me, at least once, cases of utterly independent
implementations of a function that were byte for byte the same, as found in
one court case a friend of mine (now deceased) got pulled into. He had to
prove he'd written his code from scratch. But these were pretty simple
functions. I don't know if bmap qualifies ...

How could this happen? I don't know, but the court case that long predated
SCO. The only conclusion I can reach
is that when enough techniques, ideas, mailling lists, discussions, and
documents become part of a shared culture, the code which
people create might be the same. A weird parallel evolution of code.



On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 5:09 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:

> The thing I never got a reasonable answer to was I found code in BSD that
> was identical to code going back to at least V7.  Find bmap() in the UFS
> code and then find the same in V7.  I might be wrong about V7, might be
> 32V, might be V6.  I don't think it matters, it's the same in all of them.
>
> bmap() is the code that maps a logical block to a phsyical block,
> I'm quite familiar with it because I rewrote it to bmap_write() and
> bmap_read() as part of making UFS do extents:
>
> http://mcvoy.com/lm/papers/SunOS.ufs_clustering.pdf
>
> When all the lawsuits were going on, since I knew that code really well,
> I went off and looked and the BSD code at that time had bit for bit
> identical bmap() implementations.
>
> I never understood why BSD could claim they rewrote everything when they
> clearly had not rewritten that.
>
> I've raised this question before and I just went and looked, bmap() has
> changed.  I'm pretty sure I have Kirk's BSD source releases, if I do,
> I'm 100% sure I can back up what I'm saying.  Not sure I care enough to
> do so, it's all water under the bridge at this point.
> --
> ---
> Larry McVoy           Retired to fishing
> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-05  1:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-04  1:17 [TUHS] RIP Darl McBride former CEO of SCO Will Senn
2024-11-04  2:31 ` [TUHS] " Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-11-04  3:34   ` Wesley Parish
2024-11-04 17:35     ` Marc Rochkind
2024-11-04 22:50       ` [TUHS] SCO's "evidence" (was: RIP Darl McBride former CEO of SCO) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-11-05  0:05         ` [TUHS] " Marc Rochkind
2024-11-05  0:39           ` Warner Losh
2024-11-05  1:09             ` Larry McVoy
2024-11-05  1:32               ` ron minnich [this message]
2024-11-05  1:39                 ` Warner Losh
2024-11-05  3:14                 ` Larry McVoy
2024-11-05  5:00                   ` Warner Losh
2024-11-05  1:35               ` Warner Losh
2024-11-05  1:54                 ` Larry McVoy
2024-11-05  2:13                   ` Warner Losh
2024-11-05  3:14                     ` Marc Rochkind
2024-11-07 20:41                       ` ron minnich
2024-11-07 20:59                         ` Marc Rochkind
2024-11-08  0:03                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-11-08  0:35                             ` Warner Losh
2024-11-09 18:29                           ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-11-09 20:30                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-11-09 22:23                               ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-11-10  4:27                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-11-12  1:55                       ` Kevin Bowling
2024-11-12  2:34                         ` Kevin Bowling
2024-11-12 18:12                           ` Marc Rochkind
2024-11-05  1:31           ` [TUHS] IBM's involvement (was: SCO's "evidence" (was: RIP Darl McBride former CEO of SCO)) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-11-05  3:04             ` [TUHS] " Marc Rochkind
2024-11-06  4:00               ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-11-05 17:55 [TUHS] Re: SCO's "evidence" (was: RIP Darl McBride former CEO of SCO) Noel Chiappa
2024-11-05 18:52 ` ron minnich
2024-11-05 19:01   ` Warner Losh
     [not found]     ` <CAEoi9W66zUf8RvzEYQG7qNXN-BX6gyDejXCrHw3rk46UM_-XPg@mail.gmail.com>
2024-11-08 20:27       ` Warner Losh
     [not found]         ` <61F8BCE5-44C5-49D2-BEFE-B8717E3DDEA8@kdbarto.org>
     [not found]           ` <CANCZdfrJExbrJqp3MgE0Tp9-a=PYTeFpkULk8NnPfBTeoyLW-g@mail.gmail.com>
2024-11-08 23:18             ` [TUHS] Fwd: " Warner Losh
2024-11-09  0:40               ` [TUHS] " rob
2024-11-05 18:58 ` Warner Losh

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