From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 02d64427 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 14:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5ABA9A1B22; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 00:22:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F97EA1A6B; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 00:22:19 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=kVyQIc2Q; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BFA21A1A29; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 00:22:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-f51.google.com (mail-ed1-f51.google.com [209.85.208.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC099A1A26 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 00:22:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-f51.google.com with SMTP id z27-v6so3385107edb.10 for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 07:22:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rO7JO5gSxdja1WdMtzKuL3eiS9f7baLWp1dH2UHuvso=; b=kVyQIc2QhIt/f6eexF5BTdIkoftgi+yzjZuAUoJVPTafrzSRvFU8L0sqdJQ1O03e+L j8VDJ8hpbxABk7lt4sr8jRvibMRPpkzQQNsxMmBpUs5IeKMYV4tkJdzZX6itDmqxKBBE /sGmKtuDnQlyDjaaT6CiP/RxRtibBq2G3nxogN7nkRn6FZwD/vzfile2sAn6pE90vzie IgG42vcOye/dJDvlGSjW9zILU77P5yh6HKCn8VtavfKUUcAJmWviGmYiPAj0134F7lH4 iD+w89Xd3610BJmvK/s5t20sIm7hn3ecMBYGKpEAcDDkiMW5O/IQLb5HbWwAMG+c671N WZCg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rO7JO5gSxdja1WdMtzKuL3eiS9f7baLWp1dH2UHuvso=; b=RgYf1/x78Az5gfkhG35Z1nbRX/H70Y+GNSKj/YDK2xSPWCmuQgjv2zbZCkRpu+0560 e+yE7iBKPWEtrJ/a2nNuBaTHnySicOlPhUrrRH2E9Chk1+KuLcJF3fbW3LbXbTs7pRfH N3ILVlOkdowEbMu7Ku+9VE/BUvHLCmhc5+BP8dB0MLDUwi2+K0Qyky18a3imvOB/xTE8 mH2dmxxYBbCj5P5+OpUA4+UAawQYMjfETKhc8+QpRgVxxJ715Z+sIVw+snsqOSP4ugt1 7dVEVBhhsnayXDBfHWZxAw3zCbL0EnTBKUXaBtpzNxpvB3mhyC6anMP1W4udhvwcWONP QuPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CsEcoUHwwGqd2rIJ3mQjcDeQDfXK5MNm1+Sci1Cy5Moe7v2xub aAoVB6uQ/Ft4TDTToBcQPX5MoWR88WJlHrpsEm0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdZwY20TQJOrv+9NUU8FyXxhsrno0DGpTDHBzSUs0xaHMsEVgc7qHQwAvXPhHUIIL18tNmXhW9e/Df9ic8SjK+g= X-Received: by 2002:a50:ae03:: with SMTP id c3-v6mr37453820edd.114.1536070934451; Tue, 04 Sep 2018 07:22:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180831215636.-eCEx%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> <20180903180401.u4MVs%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> <20180903181133.GB81368@wopr> <20180903185616.ZnkRk%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> In-Reply-To: From: ron minnich Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 07:22:02 -0700 Message-ID: To: Andy Kosela Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000065dbb205750c6235" Subject: Re: [TUHS] cat -v and other complaints X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "tuhs@tuhs.org" Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000065dbb205750c6235 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:34 AM Andy Kosela wrote: > When Plan 9 was created in the mid-late 80s exactly those ideas > circulated. Nothing comes from nothing, everything has its historical > context. In the late 80s in order to "innovate" it was natural to think > that abandoning text terminals is a "progress". > > I don't get the sense, from reading this, that you have ever used Plan 9 for serious work, or indeed done more than see or run a demo. I'm keeping this short because this is TUHS, not T9HS. But your characterization of Plan 9 is just wrong. --00000000000065dbb205750c6235 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue= , Sep 4, 2018 at 2:34 AM Andy Kosela <akosela@andykosela.com> wrote:
When Plan 9 was created in the mid-late 80s exactly those i= deas circulated.=C2=A0 Nothing comes from nothing, everything has its histo= rical context.=C2=A0 In the late 80s in order to "innovate" it wa= s natural to think that abandoning text terminals is a "progress"= .


I don't get = the sense, from reading this, that you have ever used Plan 9 for serious wo= rk, or indeed done more than see or run a demo. I'm keeping this short = because this is TUHS, not T9HS. But your characterization of Plan 9 is just= wrong.=C2=A0
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