From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9090 invoked from network); 1 May 2022 18:11:33 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 May 2022 18:11:33 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 833E99D458; Mon, 2 May 2022 04:11:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BCE9D432; Mon, 2 May 2022 04:08:46 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="ibQ2eiWC"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4AF5A9D432; Mon, 2 May 2022 04:08:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f50.google.com (mail-wr1-f50.google.com [209.85.221.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 831989D431 for ; Mon, 2 May 2022 04:08:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f50.google.com with SMTP id q23so17100681wra.1 for ; Sun, 01 May 2022 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KSGZVl3wI2MY3ueBhSP4xjnjWaAaUXY+qOZ9pdeeUKM=; b=ibQ2eiWCx2lTKpnAcDNA5qRrU5TY0Q0WFpR/HGn842Svx7U/BSpDx5oRjXs1ErSk4x fw+LZbRZXi7VsZb2Ufp1tTRX7YXLoEOOjsDtz7o0NSzD1h7drbqqGSXcrD83hDSL9wth ICsT4v1ozrAHRWZArngMZ9BMcto04/gw+xqBOJSktLgeM39ifVWRtBSscd53UOoeWFDl tEQRo5HE8azkP03xB+7udnx4oXH5mSWEWFWFKCyCeefWG9dHFFc+JBz2JbYgTQ/BARa3 8jgoKqmSvMmYd0F9bAF03SVROPJE2VlWBFoiL4ZheZ0llwPcr+wDkkGFmVQgE7kG5cxI epZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KSGZVl3wI2MY3ueBhSP4xjnjWaAaUXY+qOZ9pdeeUKM=; b=wMq5xEnhYJpVUz5eeQVjVg5dezcFjEuEcG3piaJJnhOTAEAvr+6Qko9bsXQuNSrWdI tIYndAxnm9my+PdOOQm2s5kDTrq9OJPK1sfUmEirSQLKX22fngYYIWj+FiIO9XYL4UcZ SnKNDG4JeZi4pSJE3jIiPNqCpfhH944LbCH+hDZUPEgUI/F1jSLYMMp+g3+kfvXrRlxw ZvsaiyTqdHmW5FJSkmK+DODELm+p3KzeGmUl9z69pvEtHrOzZjoEDgdgGG3JYmfToHTw ojyfy+cHBKZMLlMMdQe9Tlb+YRwvLcalqg5VGMsu6pVrBH9I9tBih7KhxA6/GjxV0TGn 812Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Pfob1eVSKZ7WdT7MAu2L2Zir126SxVwljwgMNtYrP5yOheofq 6XqSqFvglKc2SUpsh0oGPLCP57jyzUBQzcIeW7U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwkxMQ/1iocAaVXaq0sLPDCjgDrSIwzQOWxYHGLM6s2aVOMZZHC5V8fvCbc2w6h+RbQxLWH07mx0WG70cFSsp4= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:610b:0:b0:20a:e00b:5e46 with SMTP id v11-20020a5d610b000000b0020ae00b5e46mr6977849wrt.293.1651428521707; Sun, 01 May 2022 11:08:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57977CE7-DDCC-4861-BBD2-843B9B9F51C2@ronnatalie.com> In-Reply-To: From: ron minnich Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 11:08:29 -0700 Message-ID: To: Kenneth Goodwin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" in terms of rewrites from manuals, while it was not the first, as I understand it, AIX was an example of "read the manual, write the code." Unlike Coherent, it had lots of cases of things not done quite right. One standout in my mind was mkdir -p, which would return an error if the full path existed. oops. But it was pointed out to me that Condor had all kinds of code to handle AIX being different from just about everything else. On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:12 AM Kenneth Goodwin wrote: > > I actually purchased several copies of Coherent when it was first release= d and used it as printer servers for a bunch of inexpensive Centronics base= d printers. lpd based server to server transfers. Took the printing burden = off the main systems. Someone came out with a network based print spooler b= ox (Milan ??) later on which I switched over to after MW passed into obscur= ity. > > > On Sun, May 1, 2022, 7:46 AM Ron Natalie wrote: >> >> Mark Williams Coherent was one I worked with on the PC many years ago. >> >> > On May 1, 2022, at 11:34, Andrew Warkentin wrot= e: >> > >> > =EF=BB=BFWhat was the first "clone" functional Unix (i.e. an OS not de= rived >> > from genetic Unix code but highly compatible with genetic Unix)? Idris >> > is the earliest such OS of which I am aware (at least AFAIK it's not a >> > genetic Unix), but was it actually the first? Similarly, which was the >> > first "outer Unix-like" system (i.e. one with strong Unix influence >> > but significantly incompatible with functional Unix)? Off the top of >> > my head the earliest such system I can think of is Thoth (which >> > predates Idris by almost 2 years), but again I'm not sure if it was >> > actually the first. >>