From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17344 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2022 22:34:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Nov 2022 22:34:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9092641BFB; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:34:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f179.google.com (mail-qt1-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD27241BF8 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:34:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f179.google.com with SMTP id z6so7772067qtv.5 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:34:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=o5+OiKGN7kEm+gAy7PLTTjyqVBuS6UsDY0/WZi6Whd4=; b=oqTYHIM/jV3J3Ly8eGtOIInFmc6RsYFQcIDzXMgrlde/ZXFlQh7v+v0qtY8AezcJTl ZAQDyn6YUQtooCi8kqL05CYoXVyxj/xQlgL7cV9ibv4Euf09soWdsit4Ev1tOwwxPShi exBqZFEidMrvOSswCspyRKepn1oMLSuJl+HxGM8K5oU9FqYVlwQ2G+vSMWJP5meOeOQk glDWEYAQjtk7oFlERa8d9/5RrSoqzSclCMhnT1xS92E82r2m7OaD8+C0l4zeeMLUy3o9 mcR3hBO3a9Dr4eylL7Gs1NmO9xgWnP74FQhoxBTa/1DrIxnmZh5LE9prF6YmhN2c5atl 17tg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=o5+OiKGN7kEm+gAy7PLTTjyqVBuS6UsDY0/WZi6Whd4=; b=xoo8SEmjoYNeerdLiQYKDiNRu3WRbIOVZuGcwNJfYqOOyxv40ji7ZfYxJ77a3d8WkD TVQVVZK/eAoYiMAe3zD3XFd6mIQxEnOihUTNE+N6wH6rNdt8/YSmqXB1LgBRHAvYInB4 Yk0Fenoc3qegmZrNtrJSnOuZ2DBkakwWjZWabWzlwlazIlJ/x7J8UMtzXtAAjWYu90Lc qfrI7mrcHUzSbTMaf0nbDeptIFJJvbl8evOYly7XbmAzz8DnZEzsYCB2E1Hl9d8DsRto h3FvdTjE4QEf8V+EvBwQj8GsE4jCy3kMcr97AyM7Iho457PXHohtLhJ4qbjrbRNMVcZP Zr+A== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pn5hgaZSM4VEqLfj9rsWsFb97aqH46tJWHYVvu3q3X71doZJFo4 CCP2u8HU2mO7UR2L7+fwUmwLoeRjgXk6Ca5GzVsUYjneYpQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf6rWS0HCqUvC0v+d6bta5nysQMjMFTgao1D1XJVFC9q5WAR4DEGJhX08vM+AgizSla3okDfWh0WU5V6xbK+o+o= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5146:0:b0:3a6:6d3c:7ee2 with SMTP id h6-20020ac85146000000b003a66d3c7ee2mr15899282qtn.52.1669674803391; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:33:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8f278bf8-de57-4e77-a3b8-d007d7c3a446@app.fastmail.com> <20221126191827.GV18011@mcvoy.com> <764dda08-f358-4c74-8056-ef8fc80bcaac@app.fastmail.com> <20221126232323.GX18011@mcvoy.com> <20221127001714.GY18011@mcvoy.com> <202211270443.2AR4hofO067295@ultimate.com> <0EB50C1F-D226-40BF-8F42-43CB988B036E@jctaylor.com> In-Reply-To: From: ron minnich Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:33:12 -0800 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008bf08905ee8f7599" Message-ID-Hash: TEY4YZ62M3HMTP5P7VH5SHXARVPSLG6Q X-Message-ID-Hash: TEY4YZ62M3HMTP5P7VH5SHXARVPSLG6Q X-MailFrom: rminnich@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Reaction to the 3B2 at Bell Labs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000008bf08905ee8f7599 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was visiting Holmdel in 1981, and there was a tradeshow for the BellMAC CPUs there, filling ground floor of the central atrium. There was some swag, which I had for a few years, including refrigerator magnets. The one I remember: "Don't be alone, call MACphone!" I remember reading an article in the early 80s pointing out that, due to the scale of the Bell System, the center of the universe of semiconductor fabrication at that time was ... Allentown, PA. Western Electric had an ad, along the lines of, "who will create the 256 Kb memory part? WE will" -- WE as in Western Electric.Those parts would have been fabbed in Allentown IIRC. It is a bit hard to recall, much less believe. but PA, land of dead still mills, the Molly Maguires, and underground coal mine fires that will burn for centuries, also had silicon. On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM Kenneth Goodwin wrote: > That must be the 300 B superhive model CPU > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 1:54 PM William Corcoran wrote: > >> I have a 3b2/300. Anytime you run a command that is compute bound, like >> factoring a large prime number, the CPU buzzes! >> >> >> >> Bill Corcoran >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 27, 2022, at 9:52 AM, John P. Linderman wrote= : >> >> =EF=BB=BF >> >> [EXTERNAL] >> >> >> We were "gifted" a 3B2, as in "take this and use it!". I ran a "ps" >> command in single user mode, and it took 20 seconds to run. >> Our machine names were themed around bird names, so we christened the 3B= 2 >> "junco". Our director said we had to get along, >> so we renamed it "jay". But everyone knew what the J stood for. The 3B2 >> served as a doorstop. >> >> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 11:44 PM Phil Budne wrote: >> >>> Larry McVoy wrote: >>> > I read the Wikipedia page on the 9000. It's sad that the 9000 >>> > wasn't cancelled when they had better alternatives. >>> >>> In an oral history Bob Supnik described Ken Olsen couldn't get his >>> head around the fact that the NVAX chip could equal the 9000: >>> >>> @2:59:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT3tcCBHRIfU >>> >>> In part 2, Bob described how then DEC VP Gordon Bell having earlier >>> predicted when the microprocessor performance curve would cross over >>> minis and mainframes: >>> >>> @1:51:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT3tcCBHRIfU >>> >>> He also talks about how the company couldn't command the bsame gross >>> margins as it did in the VAX era. >>> >> >> >> THIS IS AN EXTERNAL EMAIL -- This email was sent from someone OUTSIDE of >> the NSM Insurance Group email system. PLEASE USE CAUTION WHEN REVIEWING >> THIS EMAIL. >> >> --0000000000008bf08905ee8f7599 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was visiting Holmdel in 1981, and there was a tradeshow = for the BellMAC CPUs there, filling ground floor of the=C2=A0central atrium= . There was some swag, which I had for a few years, including refrigerator = magnets. The one I remember:
"Don't be alone, call MACphone!&q= uot;

I remember reading an article in the early 80= s pointing out that, due to the scale of the Bell System, the center of the= universe=C2=A0of semiconductor fabrication at that time was ... Allentown,= PA. Western Electric had an ad, along the lines of, "who will create = the 256 Kb memory=C2=A0part? WE will" -- WE as in Western Electric.Tho= se parts would have been fabbed in Allentown IIRC.=C2=A0

=C2=A0It is a bit hard to recall, much less believe. but PA, land of= dead still mills, the Molly Maguires, and underground coal mine fires that= will burn for centuries, also had silicon.




On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM Kenneth Goodwin <kennethgoodwin56@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
That must be the 300 B superhive model CPU

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022= , 1:54 PM William Corcoran <wlc@jctaylor.com> wrote:
I have a 3b2/300.=C2=A0 Anytime you run a command that is compute bound, li= ke factoring a large prime number, the CPU buzzes!



Bill Corcoran


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On Nov 27, 20= 22, at 9:52 AM, John P. Linderman <jpl.jpl@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

[EXTERNAL]


We were "gifted= " a 3B2, as in "take this and use it!". I ran a "ps&quo= t; command in single user mode, and it took 20 seconds to run.
Our machine names we= re themed around bird names, so we christened the 3B2 "junco". Ou= r director said we had to get along,
so we renamed it &qu= ot;jay". But everyone knew what the J stood for. The 3B2 served as a d= oorstop.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 11:44 PM Phil= Budne <phil@ultimate.com> wrote:
Larry McVoy wrote:
> I read the Wikipedia page on the 9000.=C2=A0 It's sad that the 900= 0
> wasn't cancelled when they had better alternatives.

In an oral history Bob Supnik described Ken Olsen couldn't get his
head around the fact that the NVAX chip could equal the 9000:

@2:59:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT3tcCBHRIfU

In part 2, Bob described how then DEC VP Gordon Bell having earlier
predicted when the microprocessor performance curve would cross over
minis and mainframes:

@1:51:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT3tcCBHRIfU

He also talks about how the company couldn't command the bsame gross margins as it did in the VAX era.


THIS IS AN EXTERNAL EMAIL -- This email was sent from someone OUTSIDE of th= e NSM Insurance Group email system. PLEASE USE CAUTION WHEN REVIEWING THIS = EMAIL.
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