From: ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>
To: Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com>
Cc: Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>, tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Demise of AT&T
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 12:17:53 -0700 [thread overview]
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I had a talk with a DEC salesman in Sep 1990. They had just loaned me a
DECStation for eval.
me: "What happens if computers become commodities like sneakers"
DEC salesman: "we go out of business"
They were right.
On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:18 AM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 9:43 AM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> > It wasn't just AT&T, IBM & DEC that got run over by commodity DRAM &
>> > CPU's, it was the entire Minicomputer Industry, effectively extinct
>> by
>> > 1995.
>>
>> Same thing for the work-station industry (with Sun being merely the most
>> notable example).
>>
>
> Indeed. Extinction of existing practice by new technology happens all the
> time and not just in the computer field. Before sound recording and
> playback was invented, fancy restaurants, hotels, etc. hired orchestras to
> play background music. The phonograph put a huge number of orchestras out
> of business.
>
> There's a knee-jerk tendency in our industry for companies to respond to
> new technology by retreating to the high end of the market in an attempt to
> protect profit margins. IBM did this when minicomputers came along; Apollo
> did it when confronted with cheap workstations (Sun); DEC did it when the
> PC appeared; Intel right now is attempting to do it to stave off
> competition from ARM. In all cases the effort has been unsuccessful and
> usually has resulted in the death of the company (IBM has survived, but as
> a shadow of its former self).
>
> I think it was Scott McNealy who said (regarding protecting existing
> products and profit margins) that a tech company must be prepared to eat
> its own children. If they don't, the competition will.
>
> -Paul W.
>
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Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-19 13:42 Noel Chiappa
2025-05-19 16:18 ` Paul Winalski
2025-05-19 19:17 ` ron minnich [this message]
2025-05-19 19:44 ` [TUHS] Whither Workstations? (Was Re: Demise of AT&T) Dan Cross
2025-05-19 20:28 ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2025-05-19 20:54 ` Dan Cross
2025-05-21 15:30 ` Stuart Remphrey
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2025-05-27 23:03 ` Martin Schröder
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2025-05-28 7:18 ` Warren Toomey via TUHS
2025-05-23 20:25 ` Kevin Bowling
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2025-05-26 23:26 ` [TUHS] Re: WE321 3B/VME boar (Re: Whither Workstations? (Was Re: Demise of AT&T)) Greg A. Woods
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