From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0030726B62 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 05:31:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7F443B07; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:31:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x234.google.com (mail-lj1-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::234]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E71D43B06 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2024 13:31:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x234.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2ec1620a956so88427591fa.1 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:31:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1719459064; x=1720063864; darn=tuhs.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Pk+8DJqLt2aRAaRyC/Zhdk7cKj+ol+0K0DLKIWrk0IM=; b=bcu8od24cEn8amD4KijRVW9hXS9+E/7lT8dOG3sOIelwA/DIXjSycw613MVyW5hhaX VGuh7plqNibN95to+ZmPE4gt2O95YHujhEDoLGmhbbECrF3HzbraDVd4ZXPBXjTZU5ib njMBtMCny0AO5iXz7mYsaB2SClUhZPQmJyoaVL8ikGkJLLmkqnx1gs+7WAEEHDwLn/XQ DRpU03fgYvsj5xt2UhNoYC/Jac2yqWRKnB5Iy5uC0FW67ES3vVuJutMWWPUumOvgCgDW J/EBO3OvaHmMgkEWMvNa9iEylyOsQlmRp224+Zn9sfCveHn74lIh+az4qbHAziZnXcae sMRQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1719459064; x=1720063864; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Pk+8DJqLt2aRAaRyC/Zhdk7cKj+ol+0K0DLKIWrk0IM=; b=Zl4IzPHyglNJx0V/6dL3PsRiuhF30ZLqvhqVcK8Hl+kUt/NMlwlPvKAxDyhZwsnDUO Mb8qgN/UIO+VOQNTXix2la0bX6mmaqMLvv5KTN6UI9YxBdkvRhBgDl4JVmAL/U9yl7Xb cKu1NGSzd18/KtR7oPMzPN/RthrPcWNDzxvaTcdCW/eA85z7vddnm4NzuP/TrUoiC8KG nvocFXGxP1c5Sy0y8icbh71TraY3IqPAazSZZYEZV2fgxxUVtxpuxEwOz+DWrljD00xf jbv9SnDyHSNj/wxCO6DI2YUcLo3EikbtK6UbsTuaJYmpoQjF4Az4mWLDj9V51FIQHDCY Apqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz5ougz/n5QsBd9QSFaV9GR8oJ4WVD+A6kvgbENxoLXwuF5VR4c 9xQ2JX7TbyceS14PTOx2JvIN2Wo5F5rgr7FA7GBN4/K4aUQdgDRvgGG1jw4vOKmnYBNLtQkt3uj 58Ga25Mmbatxw09Qa/2SWKwn5fWDG6Nm1 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHYkII3iUheN5vLiJflht28pbRYiU3QLxS3y4EuBBxQSOuZlDen8OBV3AzPNDwUcauWosVNqD3dwuAba8zMkcs= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9887:0:b0:2ec:51b2:2cb6 with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2ec5b345de7mr69024601fa.27.1719459063863; Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:31:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: ron minnich Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 20:30:51 -0700 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b52405061bd6c2e4" Message-ID-Hash: 3VFBMCSFU57XNYRDVULKFXKLNWQOKBUS X-Message-ID-Hash: 3VFBMCSFU57XNYRDVULKFXKLNWQOKBUS X-MailFrom: rminnich@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: another OSX 100% less Unix List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000b52405061bd6c2e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and, yes, on linux, it behaves more properly rminnich@pop-os:/tmp/t$ cpio -ivt < ../t.cpio -rw-rw-r-- 1 rminnich rminnich 0 Jun 26 20:29 a -rw-rw-r-- 2 rminnich rminnich 0 Jun 26 20:29 b -rw-rw-r-- 2 rminnich rminnich 0 Jun 26 20:29 c 1 block On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 8:29=E2=80=AFPM ron minnich wr= ote: > I have a directory, t: > ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ ls -li > total 0 > 23801442 -rw-r--r-- 1 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 a > 23801443 -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 b > 23801443 -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 c > > note that b and c are the same inode. > > let's make a cpio. > > ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ cpio -o >../t.cpio > a > b > c > ^D > 1 block > > what's in it? > ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ cpio -ivt < ../t.cpio > -rw-r--r-- 1 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 a > -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 b > -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 c link to b > > "c link to b"? wtf? Who thought that was a good idea? because ... > ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ touch 'c link to b' > ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ ls -l > total 0 > -rw-r--r-- 1 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 a > -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 b > -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 c > -rw-r--r-- 1 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:22 c link to b > > and > ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ cpio -o >../t.cpio > a > b > c > c link to b > ^D > > ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ cpio -ivt < ../t.cpio > -rw-r--r-- 1 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 a > -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 b > -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 c link to b > -rw-r--r-- 1 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:22 c link to b > > so ... it looks like a file is there twice, because somebody thought it > was a good idea to confuse a file name and file metadata. And, anyway, it= 's > just as accurate to have it say > -rw-r--r-- 1 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 a > -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 b link to c > -rw-r--r-- 2 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:21 c link to b > -rw-r--r-- 1 rminnich wheel 0 Jun 26 20:22 c link to b > Right? :-) > > From the same people who brought you this: > ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ bc > >>> > > Somebody needs to get the osx folks a unix manual set :-) > --000000000000b52405061bd6c2e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
and, yes, on linux, it behaves more properly
rminnich@= pop-os:/tmp/t$ cpio -ivt < ../t.cpio
-rw-rw-r-- =C2=A0 1 rminnich rmi= nnich =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 Jun 26 20:29 a
-rw-rw-r-- =C2=A0 2 rm= innich rminnich =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 Jun 26 20:29 b
-rw-rw-r-- = =C2=A0 2 rminnich rminnich =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A00 Jun 26 20:29 c
1= block



On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 8:29= =E2=80=AFPM ron minnich <rminnich@= gmail.com> wrote:
I have a directory, t:
ronsexcllentmbp:t rmi= nnich$ ls -li
total 0
23801442 -rw-r--r-- =C2=A01 rminnich =C2=A0whee= l =C2=A00 Jun 26 20:21 a
23801443 -rw-r--r-- =C2=A02 rminnich =C2=A0whee= l =C2=A00 Jun 26 20:21 b
23801443 -rw-r--r-- =C2=A02 rminnich =C2= =A0wheel =C2=A00 Jun 26 20:21 c

note that b and c = are the same inode.

let's make a cpio.

ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ cpio -o >../t.cpio
ab
c
^D
1 block

what's in it?<= br>ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ cpio -ivt < ../t.cpio
-rw-r--r-- =C2= =A0 1 rminnich wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Jun 26 20:21 a-rw-r--r-- =C2=A0 2 rminnich wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Ju= n 26 20:21 b
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A0 2 rminnich wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 0 Jun 26 20:21 c link to b

"c = link to b"? wtf? Who thought that was a good idea? because ...
ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ touch 'c link to b'
ronsexcllentm= bp:t rminnich$ ls -l
total 0
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A01 rminnich =C2=A0wheel = =C2=A00 Jun 26 20:21 a
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A02 rminnich =C2=A0wheel =C2=A00 J= un 26 20:21 b
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A02 rminnich =C2=A0wheel =C2=A00 Jun 26 20:= 21 c
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A01 rminnich =C2=A0wheel =C2=A00 Jun 26 20:22 c link= to b

and
ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich= $ cpio -o >../t.cpio
a
b
c
c link to b
^D

ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$ cpio -ivt < ../t.cpio-rw-r--r-- =C2=A0 1 rminnich wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 J= un 26 20:21 a
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A0 2 rminnich wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Jun 26 20:21 b
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A0 2 rminnich wheel =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Jun 26 20:21 c link to b
-rw-r--r-- =C2= =A0 1 rminnich wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Jun 26 20:22 c li= nk to b

so ... it looks like a file is there t= wice, because somebody thought it was a good idea to confuse a file name an= d file metadata. And, anyway, it's just as accurate to have it say
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A0 1 rminnich wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= 0 Jun 26 20:21 a
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A0 2 rminnich wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Jun 26 20:21 b link to c
-rw-r--r-- =C2=A0 2 rminnic= h wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Jun 26 20:21 c link to b
-r= w-r--r-- =C2=A0 1 rminnich wheel =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 Jun 2= 6 20:22 c link to b
Right? :-)

From the = same people who brought you this:
ronsexcllentmbp:t rminnich$= bc
>>>

Somebody needs to get the = osx=C2=A0folks a unix manual set :-)
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