From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C252221F2 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 01:28:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D824A43267; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:28:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com (mail-lf1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::135]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02DEB4325F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:27:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-52bc0a9cea4so305809e87.0 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 16:27:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1718753275; x=1719358075; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YkPtIeL0ltFedh5fGduHrG1kzjDSlLIXX7kN27bsg9w=; b=E4nJ/b+fnd4snWvZz6F6q1WFl2V53xhgBODHuy7Kn6/PFoWLdaugLWC14fuYRZZkTU +jZ68KvEdR1TEeyKh+YdKhH5GhaWp7bDS4V6iBQiOrZE8RNgf5rDHDUgL2fD7ngPYJqo ubBumiFaLFqSkxdU4NJ5X87dt4QuA5D1P7XTiQ6RJtM1Fpq6yeBQMQPYBa3S3mryHnzk h44eYyHpz33VR4Tcf72wv02hbBJmzqX0OvT3ZrWpmLo2SB3Ruli/l0fZbetZnT5+jPgb 7xL6G/FwZ88WpWpy2FEnyUvTRHlzBAFW8ARLphqTYlNBk5DsYUNzGoiDvUvGBLVQnkcn umVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718753275; x=1719358075; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=YkPtIeL0ltFedh5fGduHrG1kzjDSlLIXX7kN27bsg9w=; b=D8jn/bPHGJxznLBiRV9LgPcVQTNs3OBmfD/BTclgNLY8A2ffjE7vy8Y/BoR0g4Osv8 2eLUmNIMPHvwiEHhizDlc/DrSsCxS4rLH/5mP2NZTjaLPE3l+BG3qANQdq7YJXB7ba/O Ygd7bG5+GLexQO7+g0vRGKbXduqTuj5kJpN/oZyLwdTJwe5h7fYwD1Rgp984o/vl8PwZ 3Z0GyEf79UuBs81iBgSXviNfkWVlhMML8cQyS204OrjI/NLMmEEpHI7OZXb4hDhDGHrZ o5AUOLyHx/jTXT2NExvZXli18ySsOqMXPAoFHzz5prQPPNXkaEiEr49yZUhFYGrwUdiP KR8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwwBEVY9zM9Wf2EpTXKuy4Am8pXqWxIMW2MkpHlMRfhTWsP3GNe 996MbZoyVNsDDNSORrba9aYZ/H8kLoPYZVr1aWQlN9SkArbMo1wOHoohvvrRPcVnBMyUW8qRSbn rs1IS1W9jZQ/rgaqoiGivQWV2lxQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEqfMhSSLYk0phzphsnXdBziJAq5mqU4/vcUNBLzJoeP81efULeQ1ZSC75Ns4TWJqZGh5tDJiyXRGig2dDF5ho= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:10c3:b0:52b:33a9:8bbd with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-52cc47ed415mr1140956e87.19.1718753274514; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 16:27:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87msnl4ew0.fsf@gmail.com> <87iky84c23.fsf@gmail.com> <20240617012531.GE12821@mcvoy.com> <0e6792ed-65b0-e2e1-8159-6426a7f15a8d@riddermarkfarm.ca> In-Reply-To: From: ron minnich Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 16:27:42 -0700 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000625612061b326e05" Message-ID-Hash: GFCOEO3FVQPSZXAECHCRFDW2SL25BKYX X-Message-ID-Hash: GFCOEO3FVQPSZXAECHCRFDW2SL25BKYX X-MailFrom: rminnich@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000625612061b326e05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable but it rhymes with mistake! On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 4:12=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 4:50=E2=80=AFPM Greg A. Woods w= rote: > >> At Tue, 18 Jun 2024 04:52:51 +0000, segaloco via TUHS >> wrote: >> Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix >> philosophy' The Register >> > >> > That's not >> > to diminish the real help of things like autotools and CMake, >> >> Oh, that strikes a nerve. >> >> CMake is the very antithesis of a good tool. It doesn't help. I think >> it is perhaps the worst abomination EVER in the world of software tools, >> and especially amongst software construction tools. >> > > Someone clearly never used imake... > > Warner > > -- >> Greg A. Woods >> >> Kelowna, BC +1 250 762-7675 RoboHack >> Planix, Inc. Avoncote Farms >> > --000000000000625612061b326e05 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
but it rhymes with mistake!

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 4:12=E2= =80=AFPM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:


At = Tue, 18 Jun 2024 04:52:51 +0000, segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wro= te:
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philos= ophy' The Register
>
> That's not
> to diminish the real help of things like autotools and CMake,

Oh, that strikes a nerve.

CMake is the very antithesis of a good tool.=C2=A0 It doesn't help.=C2= =A0 I think
it is perhaps the worst abomination EVER in the world of software tools, and especially amongst software construction tools.
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Someone clearly never us= ed imake...

Warner
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Kelowna, BC=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+1 250 762-7675=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0RoboHack <woods@robohack.ca>
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