From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A536220D2 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2024 05:56:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E300431E0; Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:56:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x136.google.com (mail-lf1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::136]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ECBF431DF for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2024 13:56:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x136.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-52bc035a7ccso4227940e87.2 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2024 20:56:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1718596588; x=1719201388; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=cLXPSw9MlAfgp1Y4cwbYOS6Kdd1ZVwIN5cadOY6n6IY=; b=Wm3sBCMSf2K52KoYlZamvkgqRGosX3As/NK8KQkq4bMnpYnxZeIRPbSI+A3nWCYe+G h0o4pDgStiBTC7O7OQzt17tjTtPQAkYMYvc/b9TzeHJIaGxDoXdUeAq5VPYbZ5oSq6B7 Uih4GtCrEgUnUNHAoAimIb+H8eAwImCNBf75m6k0zm9PjCwEb/XVMrxHwqklm0eEYHy4 MnrTOx7dQOUq+edaCa1awI4pcRJvAFRvUmpUXQuu+nHCLJUA+s6FGLGGUgTjYdSfVDho d/s87MAY59rlpdKV+pFhlWg6Zw3Y9FyJUrIQ3zrrRZvOkgxS5dHRapwJh5lGjB4wZunI tQQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718596588; x=1719201388; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=cLXPSw9MlAfgp1Y4cwbYOS6Kdd1ZVwIN5cadOY6n6IY=; b=AY/Bs6I6PZTnf3WZsrUqaveZ7B3wmlVI8yHNPjQ9PIEXKdOnPmNqxG+vFZ4pRYbBE8 CVFy/SbCbsRYHw0OPe4euFTR8hYrgFS1hYL78ITK4bz6+ccYDm36P6cddsPxYoEVLLSO GQhzXqRdrb9eJz2qeeJfFhg28PuU5KXllItlffATPucjPca9LMt3R25crF5KTXc5dlS6 L+O50mosLwYEbVniSWz16kkWNM98o61/SdV+Io/8MmAN4YRq04Ha7WNkMNQzBGBlz2zh daiOg90U5BHLZcFI1ppW6CzTLbfVzcwglm8ensP49aHxXn1JwhPcWEMPGHU4AXJ/ccA9 8h0g== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWBwGIIEz78G/8wkLlMTXsjDzMdLPaalEA+73ypMREb7mWcJJg4PvybqwTMDwc2NKwVeRSg29wStFxuaE0O X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz4C0jCZSGF2UvQfg/2LcNPmmeiAZHchzTOvmw2e4uKhoOzsQfZ i+pylx+Aq+XlOQJYmm0BG9vCYG+JFXLsigjO5YaC1KPyExIrAK6VT1zLhPX3nPvn2AbYFlY8Kq+ 4dZUO+njleSbHcuzAQFp8Z7g1546wYcYB X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEu2N7sSrEALP8v117GYIXqMKOVGbFDTsx3djp8jmDtgE4+y/FiTaG1o3WDHHJTRD4Qa36s92Vm3JdUm4jNNYA= X-Received: by 2002:a19:ca06:0:b0:52c:891f:d732 with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-52ca6e97b18mr4745614e87.56.1718596587772; Sun, 16 Jun 2024 20:56:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240617004816.C28BC18C098@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <20240617010532.GC12821@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20240617010532.GC12821@mcvoy.com> From: ron minnich Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 20:56:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002066fa061b0df3e5" Message-ID-Hash: J4VTHF2CQ7LBXYELMUC2MIJPS3J6AAWP X-Message-ID-Hash: J4VTHF2CQ7LBXYELMUC2MIJPS3J6AAWP X-MailFrom: rminnich@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Noel Chiappa , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000002066fa061b0df3e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, I was on a rant that day, it actually made it into the plan 9 fortune= s 'You want to make your way in the CS field? Simple. Calculate rough time of amnesia (hell, 10 years is plenty, probably 10 months is plenty), go to the dusty archives, dig out something fun, and go for it. It's worked for many people, and it can work for you. - Ron Minnich ' I'm sorry to say, it still seems to work that way. I just saw a talk from red hat about putting linux in flash to use as a boot loader, for example, and the authors somehow ignored the last 25 years and acted like they invented it. Amazing. Turns out 10 minutes is enough. On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 6:05=E2=80=AFPM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 08:48:16PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > > From: Clem Cole > > > > > Frankly my major complaint with much of the modern world is that > when we > > > ignore the past > > > > "There are two kinds of fools. One says, 'This is old, therefore it is > good'; > > the other says, 'This is new, therefore it is better.'" -- Dean Inge, > quoted > > by John Brunner in "The Shockwave Rider". > > "Want to be a hero in the computer science world? Find a good paper from > 5 or 10 years ago and rewrite it. Everyone will think you're a genius" > > -- Ron Minnich > > I paraphrased, Ron, feel free to correct me. > -- > --- > Larry McVoy Retired to fishing > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat > --0000000000002066fa061b0df3e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yeah, I was on a rant that day, it actually made it into t= he plan 9 fortunes
'You want to make your way in the CS field? Simp= le. Calculate rough time of amnesia (hell, 10 years is plenty, probably 10 = months is plenty), go to the dusty archives, dig out something fun, and go = for it. =C2=A0 It's worked for many people, and it can work for you. = =C2=A0- Ron Minnich
'
I'm sorry to say, it still seems to = work that way.

I just saw a talk from red hat abou= t=C2=A0putting linux in flash to use as a boot loader, for example, and the= =C2=A0authors somehow ignored the last 25 years and acted like they invente= d it. Amazing. Turns out 10 minutes is enough.

On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at= 6:05=E2=80=AFPM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.c= om> wrote:
http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat
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