From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id fc5be4d7 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id ED1C69B9AF; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:39:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F2894923; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:38:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 920069491B; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:38:50 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:38:49 AEST Received: from post.cogs.com (post.cogs.com [72.43.6.86]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BEC994803 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:38:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by post.cogs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7D31022AA33E; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:32:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cogs.com Received: from post.cogs.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (post.cogs.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id mtWqdpgwwSfZ; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rrcs-108-176-86-106.nys.biz.rr.com (rrcs-108-176-86-106.nys.biz.rr.com [108.176.86.106]) by post.cogs.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E3ACA1022AA325; Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_64784DD0-5418-4966-9EB3-7E434DA0F9D3" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3564\)) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:32:05 -0400 References: <8235a090-c48a-4587-8974-23305233bc33@PU1APC01FT026.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> <3CFC8159-08DD-4647-8CEF-FE8D196AB3C9@ccc.com> <610F6FCB-F24D-4788-953A-83E0E6456622@ccc.com> <017d16e0-3a7d-b3e7-29b8-8a454d78463f@e-bbes.com> <201907170810.x6H8AELx031974@freefriends.org> <46FC947C-F150-4835-A858-3EE05A394A6A@alchemistowl.org> To: Arrigo Triulzi , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: <46FC947C-F150-4835-A858-3EE05A394A6A@alchemistowl.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3564) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old 386 Unix Versions, was: Re: PCC for the i386 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Ben Greenfield via TUHS Reply-To: Ben Greenfield Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --Apple-Mail=_64784DD0-5418-4966-9EB3-7E434DA0F9D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jul 17, 2019, at 5:28 AM, Arrigo Triulzi = wrote: >=20 > On 17 Jul 2019, at 10:10, arnold@skeeve.com = wrote: >>=20 >> emanuel stiebler wrote: >>=20 >>> On 2019-07-11 18:50, A. P. Garcia wrote: >>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:31 PM Clem cole wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Did Sun have anything to do with that? I seem to recall something >>>> called "Interactive Unix" for the 386, possibly marketed by Sun... >>>=20 >>> "Interactive Unix" was pretty nice back than. >>> Anybody remembers ESIX? Still have the document wall for that ... >>>=20 >>> Cheers >>>=20 >>=20 >> Sun had a '386 based system in early 90s-ish called the Road Runner. >> I never saw it. It ran SunOS 4.x and I think was discontinued by the >> time Solaris 2.x came along. >>=20 >> And, I *do* remember ESIX. We used it for our product at a startup >> company I worked for. Initially System V R3 based, IIRC, and then >> eventually SVR4; I think we saw an improvement moving to the >> BSD fast file system. >=20 > Does anyone have documentation or history for European efforts in the = Unix-like operating systems? For example there was Bull=E2=80=99s Chorus = which I seem to recall was based on Mach or a competing microkernel (it = was a very long time ago and I used it for no mare than about two = hours..). I know that it didn=E2=80=99t run Unix but I believe Nixdorf Computer = was the large computer company at that time. https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/memory-storage/8/264/1115 = https://www.hnf.de/en/permanent-exhibition/exhibition-areas/nixdorf-pionee= r-of-decentralized-data-processing/the-products-of-nixdorf-computer-ag.htm= l https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixdorf_Computer >=20 > I am rather saddened by the fact that there is so much about all the = Unix (and not only Unix) history of computing in the USA and so very = little in Europe. I wouldn=E2=80=99t even know where to start, to be = honest, all I have as a history is the Italian side from my father and = his other mad friends and colleagues in Milan. So little of it is = recorded, never mind written down. Maybe here. http://www.technikum29.de/en/ Let me know what you find out regarding the Nixdorf 820. I happen to = have my friends dad=E2=80=99s old one=E2=80=A6 Keep Digging, Ben >=20 > Arrigo --Apple-Mail=_64784DD0-5418-4966-9EB3-7E434DA0F9D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Jul 17, 2019, at 5:28 AM, Arrigo Triulzi <arrigo@alchemistowl.org> wrote:

On 17 Jul 2019, at 10:10, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:

emanuel stiebler <emu@e-bbes.com> wrote:

On 2019-07-11 18:50, A. = P. Garcia wrote:
On = Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:31 PM Clem cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

Did Sun have anything to do with that? I seem to recall = something
called "Interactive Unix" for the 386, possibly = marketed by Sun...

"Interactive = Unix" was pretty nice back than.
Anybody remembers ESIX? = Still have the document wall for that ...

Cheers


Sun had a '386 based system in early 90s-ish called the Road = Runner.
I never saw it. It ran SunOS 4.x and I think was = discontinued by the
time Solaris 2.x came along.

And, I *do* remember ESIX. We used it for our = product at a startup
company I worked for. Initially = System V R3 based, IIRC, and then
eventually SVR4; I think = we saw an improvement moving to the
BSD fast file = system.

Does anyone have documentation or history for European = efforts in the Unix-like operating systems? For example there was = Bull=E2=80=99s Chorus which I seem to recall was based on Mach or a = competing microkernel (it was a very long time ago and I used it for no = mare than about two hours..).

I know that it didn=E2=80=99t run Unix but I = believe Nixdorf Computer was the large computer company at that = time.




I am rather = saddened by the fact that there is so much about all the Unix (and not = only Unix) history of computing in the USA and so very little in Europe. = I wouldn=E2=80=99t even know where to start, to be honest, all I have as = a history is the Italian side from my father and his other mad friends = and colleagues in Milan. So little of it is recorded, never mind written = down.

Maybe = here.


Let me know what you find out regarding the = Nixdorf 820. I happen to have my friends dad=E2=80=99s old = one=E2=80=A6

Keep = Digging,

Ben



Arrigo

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