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[107.215.223.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id kb14-20020a170903338e00b001bbbc655ca1sm501616plb.219.2023.08.03.19.19.09 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Aug 2023 19:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bakul Shah Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FDB4452F-F7A2-4FB9-9531-B4E7F8E52D0B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.600.7\)) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 19:18:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Will Senn References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.600.7) Message-ID-Hash: IC6FTXZTJKC2JHADV2EQYA7OBI7UPMMC X-Message-ID-Hash: IC6FTXZTJKC2JHADV2EQYA7OBI7UPMMC X-MailFrom: bakul@iitbombay.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: emacs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail=_FDB4452F-F7A2-4FB9-9531-B4E7F8E52D0B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had ported Gosling Emacs to Fortune System in 1981 or 82. It was = painfully slow. I vaguely remember that was due to bitfields use, for = which our C compiler (pcc based IIRC) did not generate good code. I gave = up at that point as it was a side project & vi was more than good = enough. Earlier I had used TECO (logged in to ITS from an IMP @ USC) but = not emacs. > On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Will Senn wrote: >=20 > As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about = emacs, but lately I've been using it more (as it seems like any = self-respecting lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with = it). I recently went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that = exploration, I used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's = first incarnation as a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like = EMACS. I won't bore you with the details - imagine lots of control and = escape sequences, many of which are the same today as then. This was = late 70's stuff. >=20 > My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was = it a full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of = some other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix? >=20 > Will --Apple-Mail=_FDB4452F-F7A2-4FB9-9531-B4E7F8E52D0B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I had ported Gosling Emacs to Fortune System in 1981 or 82. It was painfully slow. I vaguely remember that was due to bitfields use, for which our C compiler (pcc based IIRC) did not generate good code. I gave up at that point as it was a side project & vi was more than good enough. Earlier I had used TECO (logged in to ITS from an IMP @ USC) but not emacs.

On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Will Senn <will.senn@gmail.com> wrote:

As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs, but lately I've been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation as a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff.

My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it a full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix?

Will

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