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Beebe" Resent-Message-Id: <202009161953.08GJrHC3014726@gamma.math.utah.edu> Received: from gamma.math.utah.edu (gamma.math.utah.edu [155.101.96.20]) by mail.math.utah.edu (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 08GJpm2c016242; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gamma.math.utah.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gamma.math.utah.edu (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTP id 08GJpmaf013237; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:51:48 -0600 Received: (from beebe@localhost) by gamma.math.utah.edu (8.15.1/8.15.1/Submit) id 08GJpmCP013236; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:51:48 -0600 To: tuhs@math.utah.edu X-US-Mail: "Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB, University of Utah, 155 S 1400 E RM 233, Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA" X-Telephone: +1 801 581 5254 X-FAX: +1 801 581 4148 X-URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe Message-ID: X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.8 (mail.math.utah.edu [155.101.98.135]); Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:53:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.8 (mail.math.utah.edu [155.101.98.135]); Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Resent-To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:53:17 MDT Resent-From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Historical sources for 68010 + 68451 systems? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Chris Hanson asks about historical sources for Unix on the Motorola 68K processor. >>From my bibliography at http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/unix.bib I find these Motorola contributions The Dynamics of a Semi-Large Software Project with Specific Reference to a UNIX System Port USENIX Conference Proceedings, Summer, 1984. Salt Lake City, UT pp. 332--342 [I think that I have a printed copy in my campus office, but won't be there for another 10 days or so.] Latent Source Bugs and UNIX System Portability Proceedings: USENIX Association Winter Conference, January 23--25, 1985, Dallas, Texas, USA pp. 125--130 Co-Resident Operating System: UNIX and Real-Time Distributed Processing Fifth Real-Time Software and Operating Systems Workshop Proceedings, May 12--13, 1988. Washington, DC pp 47--53 Co-Resident Operating System: UNIX and Real-Time Distributed Processing [Fifth RTOS... as above] pp. 47--53 A Faster fsck for BSD UNIX Proceedings of the Winter 1989 USENIX Conference: January 30--February 3, 1989, San Diego, California, USA pp. 173--185 Also take a look at the 200 entries in http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/minix.bib I have made attempts to install Debian 10 on the MC68K on QEMU from an ISO image at https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/2020-05-30/ Source code is, of course, available, so it could be useful resource in porting Minix to the MC68K. However, while I can get the ISO image to boot, I get grub update failures and when I try run the installer, I get "No PCI buses available", For now, I have given up on that platform until new ideas for workarounds appear. I have similar emulated VMs for ARM64, RISC-V64, PowerPC (big and little endian), and IBM System 390x, all of which run nicely, have up-to-date O/Ses and binary software package repositories, and are used for routine software build testing. My attempts for other VMs for HPPA, Alpha, and SPARC64 CPUs have failed with install or network problems. Debian ISO images are available for IA-64, but QEMU has no support for the Itanium CPU family. We have a single phyical IA-64 system that runs fine, but is currently powered off due to machine-room air-conditioning issues that will be resolved in a couple of months. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe@math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe@acm.org beebe@computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------